Comments on: 10,000 Hours: Building Listening Comprehension http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension You don't learn a language, you get used to it. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 04:27:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Chagami http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-186587 Chagami Sun, 05 Feb 2012 15:27:40 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-186587 Agreed on the continued relevance on the article! My opinion - which I think Khatz shares - is that Japanese audiobooks are great for Japanese immersion and study. Agreed on the continued relevance on the article!

My opinion – which I think Khatz shares – is that Japanese audiobooks are great for Japanese immersion and study.

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]]> By: Kanjiboy http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-186488 Kanjiboy Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:40:15 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-186488 I know tbis is an old post, but it stands the test of time. Anyway my question is: Would you sudgest listening to Novels in Japanese that have already been pre-recorded and stories in Japanese??? I know tbis is an old post, but it stands the test of time. Anyway my question is: Would you sudgest listening to Novels in Japanese that have already been pre-recorded and stories in Japanese???

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]]> By: Suisei http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-179334 Suisei Mon, 26 Dec 2011 23:21:42 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-179334 Man, I'm really want to learn japanese. I want to go to an abroad school and I need to pass the Level 2 JLPT so I can go.   I'm really stressing out on learning the language. Man, I’m really want to learn japanese. I want to go to an abroad school and I need to pass the Level 2 JLPT so I can go.
 
I’m really stressing out on learning the language.

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]]> By: Catherine http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-179157 Catherine Mon, 26 Dec 2011 02:59:11 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-179157 Thank you for the tips but when I try and understand what they're saying my brain automatically wants to translate it into english in my head. Any tips on how to overcome this? Thank you for the tips but when I try and understand what they’re saying my brain automatically wants to translate it into english in my head. Any tips on how to overcome this?

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]]> By: Project Learn Mandarin http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-176501 Project Learn Mandarin Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:37:35 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-176501 i think i have something like...600 hours now...still 9400 hours to go >< i think i have something like…600 hours now…still 9400 hours to go ><

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]]> By: Aaron Tang http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-174868 Aaron Tang Sat, 10 Dec 2011 05:23:41 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-174868 After listening to something repetitively, I subconsciously memorize the words,effortlessly.  After listening to something repetitively, I subconsciously memorize the words,effortlessly. 

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]]> By: Random guy http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-139270 Random guy Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:27:50 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-139270 A handy tool for Japanese immersion is the KeyHoleTV program. It's a free computer program that lets you watch Japanese tv (also free). It only has a few good stations, but it's totally awesome anyway. You can tune into some Japanese radio as well. The good stations available are: TV Tokyo, TBS, Nihon TV, TV Asahi, Fuji TV, and the NHK. Some more are available but you need passwords for them, and I don't know how to find those out. The tv stations combined with the radio are awesome for listening if you are on your computer/Ipad/whatever. Occasionally you'll get some really good stuff too; I remember catching a Japanese dubbed episode of House (Dr. House) that I found absolutely fascinating. I remembered the contents of the episode, but hearing them dub all the medical stuff into Japanese was very interesting to listen to. Raw anime, game shows, and news programs are some of the staple of these stations and they really help with your listening ability I think. A handy tool for Japanese immersion is the KeyHoleTV program. It’s a free computer program that lets you watch Japanese tv (also free). It only has a few good stations, but it’s totally awesome anyway. You can tune into some Japanese radio as well.

The good stations available are: TV Tokyo, TBS, Nihon TV, TV Asahi, Fuji TV, and the NHK. Some more are available but you need passwords for them, and I don’t know how to find those out.

The tv stations combined with the radio are awesome for listening if you are on your computer/Ipad/whatever. Occasionally you’ll get some really good stuff too; I remember catching a Japanese dubbed episode of House (Dr. House) that I found absolutely fascinating. I remembered the contents of the episode, but hearing them dub all the medical stuff into Japanese was very interesting to listen to.

Raw anime, game shows, and news programs are some of the staple of these stations and they really help with your listening ability I think.

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]]> By: Miss Language Learning http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-128065 Miss Language Learning Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:04:12 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-128065 I'm about 5000 hours in, but I'm using this method to learn English. I usually don't listen to music, because I find the melody to be too disruptive. I don't get anything out of listening to music. I'd rather play a podcast instead. To all the people who left comments saying that they can't do this for some reason: find new resources, and just keep listening to something, ANYTHING. I’m about 5000 hours in, but I’m using this method to learn English. I usually don’t listen to music, because I find the melody to be too disruptive. I don’t get anything out of listening to music. I’d rather play a podcast instead.
To all the people who left comments saying that they can’t do this for some reason: find new resources, and just keep listening to something, ANYTHING.

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]]> By: T-C http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-127570 T-C Mon, 22 Aug 2011 03:28:58 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-127570 I'm learning mandarin and I have been trying to listen to Chinese all the time, at first I was doing alright and listening for a lot of the day, but because I couldnt find anything decent to listen to music wise I have ended up just completely stopping listening to anything at all. I've tried asking some chinese people what are some good bands/artists to listen to but so far all ive got is some shitty pop artists that I dont enjoy. I was wondering if anyone here knew of any decent chinese music? maybe more alternative, or indie rock styled stuff. I’m learning mandarin and I have been trying to listen to Chinese all the time, at first I was doing alright and listening for a lot of the day, but because I couldnt find anything decent to listen to music wise I have ended up just completely stopping listening to anything at all. I’ve tried asking some chinese people what are some good bands/artists to listen to but so far all ive got is some ****** pop artists that I dont enjoy. I was wondering if anyone here knew of any decent chinese music? maybe more alternative, or indie rock styled stuff.

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]]> By: Sileh http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-63984 Sileh Thu, 09 Dec 2010 23:31:52 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-63984 Thanks khatz for your inspiration. I'm doing the whole immersion deal you've discussed, and I find you articles a great way to boost certain aspects of my study methods. In other words, all Japanese all the Time is more than the site name! The only thing I must question is the listening to to Japanese while you sleep. From what I've read, after REM, you are not able to perceive auditory signals. However, during REM (30 minutes before auditory signals go bye bye), listening to Japanese might reinforce words that you have already learned, because your mind is more attuned to input in that state. The 10,000 hours number you gave out seems to be a bit inflated if you look at the hours put in while NOT sleeping only counting. Anyways, I believe your point of listening 24/7 was to state that everyone should AIM for 24/7, as in listening every damn moment they can. Hopefully I didn't step on any toes with this post, as this community seems very nice and helpful. Thanks khatz for your inspiration. I’m doing the whole immersion deal you’ve discussed, and I find you articles a great way to boost certain aspects of my study methods. In other words, all Japanese all the Time is more than the site name! The only thing I must question is the listening to to Japanese while you sleep. From what I’ve read, after REM, you are not able to perceive auditory signals. However, during REM (30 minutes before auditory signals go bye bye), listening to Japanese might reinforce words that you have already learned, because your mind is more attuned to input in that state. The 10,000 hours number you gave out seems to be a bit inflated if you look at the hours put in while NOT sleeping only counting. Anyways, I believe your point of listening 24/7 was to state that everyone should AIM for 24/7, as in listening every damn moment they can. Hopefully I didn’t step on any toes with this post, as this community seems very nice and helpful.

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]]> By: 星空 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-59563 星空 Sat, 06 Nov 2010 01:31:03 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-59563 あの、すみませんけど、キャンプで　（慶應学園信じてか信じずに）　アメリカ人半分は日本人の家族が居るから日本語と英語にぺらぺらなんだ。 三つクラスがあった。Ｌ３、私だけが日本人じゃなかったの。 日本語をしゃべれる者達の中で一人、全然漢字を読まなくてそれが怖くなければ、何が怖いか全く分かんないよ。　 本当に知らぬ。 あの、すみませんけど、キャンプで　（慶應学園信じてか信じずに）　アメリカ人半分は日本人の家族が居るから日本語と英語にぺらぺらなんだ。
三つクラスがあった。Ｌ３、私だけが日本人じゃなかったの。
日本語をしゃべれる者達の中で一人、全然漢字を読まなくてそれが怖くなければ、何が怖いか全く分かんないよ。　
本当に知らぬ。

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]]> By: AJATT Plus » 語学、1万時間聴く者勝ち http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-47579 AJATT Plus » 語学、1万時間聴く者勝ち Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:04:57 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-47579 [...] ★元ネタ：10,000 Hours: Building Listening Comprehension ★LARDに就いて Join the forum discussion on this post [...] [...] ★元ネタ：10,000 Hours: Building Listening Comprehension ★LARDに就いて Join the forum discussion on this post [...]

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]]> By: Gosaii http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-41751 Gosaii Sun, 02 May 2010 20:25:46 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-41751 I must agree with Tina :D That's how i learned english at the first place xD and i'm sure i can do it with japanese to, only it would be more difficult than i thought, considering the country i live in -_-; :(.......I'll find the way. I always do :3 Oh, and, Khatsumoto, you rulez!! <3 But seriously, every post i have read so far is quite motivational for me :3 can't wait to read the rest. I must agree with Tina :D
That’s how i learned english at the first place xD and i’m sure i can do it with japanese to, only it would be more difficult than i thought, considering the country i live in -_-; :( …….I’ll find the way. I always do :3
Oh, and, Khatsumoto, you rulez!! <3 But seriously, every post i have read so far is quite motivational for me :3 can't wait to read the rest.

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]]> By: Bryce http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-40028 Bryce Sun, 18 Apr 2010 17:28:53 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-40028 hi I have been doing the Khatzumoto method and ihave to say everything is working, i just have one question, it will probably sound like a dumb question but, by doing nothing but continuous input will it serve to make learning and doing the output much much easier? hi
I have been doing the Khatzumoto method and ihave to say everything is working, i just have one question, it will probably sound like a dumb question but, by doing nothing but continuous input will it serve to make learning and doing the output much much easier?

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]]> By: Eldon http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-35732 Eldon Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:22:56 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-35732 Hey Christian, You need to do more repetition - it's not good enough (especially to start with) to listen to something just once and move on. You need to do it over a few times. Kids love to listen to the same stories over or watch the same TV shows - you'll be able to understand more if you do the same. I'm also a musician cum language learner, and kinda used to have the problem you described - find the lyrics to the songs you like online and try to just focus on them. If you focus more on singing rather than the instruments (no matter how awesome they may be), you'll pick more up. By the way, final thing - you will have to make a conscious effort to learn stuff. You won't just absorb new words magically until you've built up a sizable vocabulary. Good luck! Hey Christian,

You need to do more repetition – it’s not good enough (especially to start with) to listen to something just once and move on. You need to do it over a few times. Kids love to listen to the same stories over or watch the same TV shows – you’ll be able to understand more if you do the same.

I’m also a musician *** language learner, and kinda used to have the problem you described – find the lyrics to the songs you like online and try to just focus on them. If you focus more on singing rather than the instruments (no matter how awesome they may be), you’ll pick more up.

By the way, final thing – you will have to make a conscious effort to learn stuff. You won’t just absorb new words magically until you’ve built up a sizable vocabulary.

Good luck!

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]]> By: the input hypothesis and the fallacy of antimoon and AJATT « thousand mile journey http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-35730 the input hypothesis and the fallacy of antimoon and AJATT « thousand mile journey Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:13:51 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-35730 [...] children don’t internalize their screwups, and since both AJATT and Antimoon are based on massive native input which mimics the way children learn language, – I think it’s pretty safe to start [...] [...] children don’t internalize their screwups, and since both AJATT and Antimoon are based on massive native input which mimics the way children learn language, – I think it’s pretty safe to start [...]

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]]> By: Christian Williams http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-31471 Christian Williams Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:23:00 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-31471 Hey Khatzumoto, I bet you never heard this one before. LOL Well For a short time now, maybe about 5 years or so I have been Listening To Japanese Music and Japanese Dialogue not necessarily constantly but a Significant amount. About 14-16 hours a day. I only Like Japanese music. Now the funny thing is not to say that my Japanese is the worst, but my listening and speaking skill is still near non-existent. I Listen to music more than anything else, but I think the one thing that messed me up all these years was that, Because I am a musician, I only listen to the music and not the lyrics in the songs. So Since I started the AJATT Program, I have been avoiding my favorite Japanese songs because my ears usually begin to focus only on the instrumentals. Also, Apparently I try too hard to hear what the actors are saying (as I've been told many times by my friends who can understand more than me). When I listen to Japanese dialogue I tend to focus on what it said and try to make sense out of any words I might know but by the time I can do that, they are already on a different subject which usually gets me left behind. I have been into Japanese culture and Language study/play for about 5 or 6 years before I came across your method. So my question to you is, For a musician/ tidious perfectionist like myself who tries to hear every word in a dialogue or song; How do you suggest I listen to Japanese? Hey Khatzumoto, I bet you never heard this one before. LOL

Well For a short time now, maybe about 5 years or so I have been Listening To Japanese Music and Japanese Dialogue not necessarily constantly but a Significant amount. About 14-16 hours a day. I only Like Japanese music. Now the funny thing is not to say that my Japanese is the worst, but my listening and speaking skill is still near non-existent. I Listen to music more than anything else, but I think the one thing that messed me up all these years was that, Because I am a musician, I only listen to the music and not the lyrics in the songs.
So Since I started the AJATT Program, I have been avoiding my favorite Japanese songs because my ears usually begin to focus only on the instrumentals.
Also, Apparently I try too hard to hear what the actors are saying (as I’ve been told many times by my friends who can understand more than me). When I listen to Japanese dialogue I tend to focus on what it said and try to make sense out of any words I might know but by the time I can do that, they are already on a different subject which usually gets me left behind.
I have been into Japanese culture and Language study/play for about 5 or 6 years before I came across your method. So my question to you is, For a musician/ tidious perfectionist like myself who tries to hear every word in a dialogue or song; How do you suggest I listen to Japanese?

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]]> By: Packman http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-29276 Packman Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:53:48 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-29276 I know that the idea is to be immersed in Japanese as close to 100% of the time as possible. I thoroughly enjoy all forms of Japanese media and I'd have no problem engaging myself with the language all day and night if it weren't for the fact that I have other interests requiring me to use English. I thoroughly enjoy reading, fact and fiction, as well as watching movies and playing video games. I know there are ways around video games in that I can play the Japanese versions of the games, but how do I get around reading books and watching English language films? My Japanese is nowhere near good enough to read books in Japanese and understand them and the same goes for movies. Is there a way to compromise? E.g. Read while listening to Japanese, or limit myself to one movie a day. I'd think it a shame if I there wasn't some room for these activities. I know that the idea is to be immersed in Japanese as close to 100% of the time as possible. I thoroughly enjoy all forms of Japanese media and I’d have no problem engaging myself with the language all day and night if it weren’t for the fact that I have other interests requiring me to use English. I thoroughly enjoy reading, fact and fiction, as well as watching movies and playing video games. I know there are ways around video games in that I can play the Japanese versions of the games, but how do I get around reading books and watching English language films? My Japanese is nowhere near good enough to read books in Japanese and understand them and the same goes for movies. Is there a way to compromise? E.g. Read while listening to Japanese, or limit myself to one movie a day. I’d think it a shame if I there wasn’t some room for these activities.

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]]> By: アメド http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-27287 アメド Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:25:02 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-27287 @Mark Dawson(Reki) You need to learn 2042 necessary kanji required for Japanese literacy. So it's good that you get that done first. Good that you're immersing yourself with japanese along the way because that's an essential part. Yes kanji is first part since you learned the kana that's good but kanji needs priority to be done. Knowing the meanings/writings to them will help you alot once you get to the sentence phase. I'm currently at 1900 sentence i did up to 3011 kanji. It goes RTK-KANA-SENTENCES 10,0000 and immersion alot of it. But kana can be done first no problem there. Hope this helps. There's alot of kanji out there but 2042 is needed. @Mark Dawson(Reki)
You need to learn 2042 necessary kanji required for Japanese literacy. So it’s good that you get that done first. Good that you’re immersing yourself with japanese along the way because that’s an essential part. Yes kanji is first part since you learned the kana that’s good but kanji needs priority to be done. Knowing the meanings/writings to them will help you alot once you get to the sentence phase. I’m currently at 1900 sentence i did up to 3011 kanji. It goes RTK-KANA-SENTENCES 10,0000 and immersion alot of it. But kana can be done first no problem there. Hope this helps. There’s alot of kanji out there but 2042 is needed.

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]]> By: Mark Dawson (Reki) http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-27277 Mark Dawson (Reki) Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:49:58 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension#comment-27277 Hi, I just started using your method of learning a language and I am trying to go into your method from the method I was trying to go. I started rocket japanese and memorized kana but I found your awesome site and started the immersion process Japanee all the time, but I am worried I am missing something......I am currently memorizing kanji ab about ten a day from RTK and immersing myself in Japanese (music,and Television)but should i learn Kanji before moving to anything else???? If thats what I need to do so be it I am extremely motivated to learn japanese so if I have to get that done I will but i want to make sure I am doing it right. Please let me know. Hi,
I just started using your method of learning a language and I am trying to go into your method from the method I was trying to go. I started rocket japanese and memorized kana but I found your awesome site and started the immersion process Japanee all the time, but I am worried I am missing something……I am currently memorizing kanji ab about ten a day from RTK and immersing myself in Japanese (music,and Television)but should i learn Kanji before moving to anything else???? If thats what I need to do so be it I am extremely motivated to learn japanese so if I have to get that done I will but i want to make sure I am doing it right. Please let me know.

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