Comments on: 10,000 Sentences: How http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how You don't learn a language, you get used to it. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 04:27:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ken Seeroi http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-184940 Ken Seeroi Thu, 26 Jan 2012 05:34:08 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-184940 "learning things completely out of context like that has always been too boring, meaningless and ineffective, at least for me. Learning to read aloud thousands of sentences you will eventually get the feel for when to use which reading in any given situation." I really believe this quote from Khatz is one of the keys to reading Japanese.  Learning kanji in context helps to decipher which reading to use, and having a realistic example helps make it easy to understand and thus memorize.  The 10,000 sentence method is a great bridge between RTK and true reading ability.  I find getting sentences from grammar textbooks to be effective.  You learn essential grammar along with the kanji.  Of course, if I hear something on the news or in a conversation that seems important, I'll enter that as well. “learning things completely out of context like that has always been too boring, meaningless and ineffective, at least for me. Learning to read aloud thousands of sentences you will eventually get the feel for when to use which reading in any given situation.”
I really believe this quote from Khatz is one of the keys to reading Japanese.  Learning kanji in context helps to decipher which reading to use, and having a realistic example helps make it easy to understand and thus memorize.  The 10,000 sentence method is a great bridge between RTK and true reading ability. 
I find getting sentences from grammar textbooks to be effective.  You learn essential grammar along with the kanji.  Of course, if I hear something on the news or in a conversation that seems important, I’ll enter that as well.

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]]> By: CrissySnow http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-182119 CrissySnow Mon, 09 Jan 2012 21:13:37 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-182119 Ok so I just wanted to let you know I watched a drama without subs and 80% of it was understood all because of your help! Thank you!!!! Ok so I just wanted to let you know I watched a drama without subs and 80% of it was understood all because of your help! Thank you!!!!

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]]> By: Suisei http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-180247 Suisei Fri, 30 Dec 2011 06:53:43 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-180247 Um, so, I have to remember what the kanji symbols are and then what the japanese is for them before I start doing this right? *Is still slowly understand Heisig's method. x.X * Um, so, I have to remember what the kanji symbols are and then what the japanese is for them before I start doing this right? *Is still slowly understand Heisig’s method. x.X *

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]]> By: MoMo http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-177854 MoMo Tue, 20 Dec 2011 01:58:04 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-177854 @khatzumoto I started to learning kanji a month ago and then soon stopped.  However I still ended up listening to things like Japanese music, Japanese movies, raw anime, etc. I now started doing my Kanji again. However, now that I've listened to Japanese for a while now I can start picking out words and phrases. So do I know add those word and phrases into my vocab, or do I create sentences with them and do them in the SRS along with the kanji? Thanks @khatzumoto I started to learning kanji a month ago and then soon stopped.  However I still ended up listening to things like Japanese music, Japanese movies, raw anime, etc. I now started doing my Kanji again. However, now that I’ve listened to Japanese for a while now I can start picking out words and phrases. So do I know add those word and phrases into my vocab, or do I create sentences with them and do them in the SRS along with the kanji? Thanks

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]]> By: ライトニング http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-166028 ライトニング Sun, 27 Nov 2011 05:24:27 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-166028 How large is normal size? I mean, If I write every single rep, Kanji and sentence flavors, at my normal english size, I'd probably only take 1 page, max. When i write in english my letters measure around 2-3 mm How large is normal size? I mean, If I write every single rep, Kanji and sentence flavors, at my normal english size, I’d probably only take 1 page, max. When i write in english my letters measure around 2-3 mm

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]]> By: michael http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-158402 michael Mon, 14 Nov 2011 01:24:56 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-158402 thanks, i was just thinking "how am i gonna start", how will i correspond them to japanese if i don't know japanese yet. lol. this was ultra helpful, thanks. thanks, i was just thinking “how am i gonna start”, how will i correspond them to japanese if i don’t know japanese yet. lol. this was ultra helpful, thanks.

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]]> By: ライトニング http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-158401 ライトニング Mon, 14 Nov 2011 01:21:00 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-158401 few months of Monolingual. Sorry, made a mistake 間違った xD few months of Monolingual.
Sorry, made a mistake 間違った xD

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]]> By: ライトニング http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-158399 ライトニング Mon, 14 Nov 2011 01:19:46 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-158399 The bilingual sentences are used as a spring board to help you pwn the monolingual definitions. You gotta start somewhere. Also, you need to associate the particles and stuff with things you already know. Trust me, after a few months of bilingual, where 90%+ of your sentences will be gained, all the english will be gone. I've been doing monolingual sentences since August, and I don't really think of any word or whatever with english. The bilingual sentences are used as a spring board to help you pwn the monolingual definitions. You gotta start somewhere.
Also, you need to associate the particles and stuff with things you already know. Trust me, after a few months of bilingual, where 90%+ of your sentences will be gained, all the english will be gone. I’ve been doing monolingual sentences since August, and I don’t really think of any word or whatever with english.

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]]> By: michael http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-158285 michael Sun, 13 Nov 2011 20:44:29 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-158285 khatz says that i should immerse myself, but if i learn sentences like this, knowing what they mean, and corresponding them with an english sentence, would that not be contradictory?  khatz says that i should immerse myself, but if i learn sentences like this, knowing what they mean, and corresponding them with an english sentence, would that not be contradictory? 

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]]> By: Miss Language Learning http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-157221 Miss Language Learning Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:49:19 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-157221 Just choose sentences that you like. Sorry, bud. We're not in school anymore, we get to pick the sweet berries and stuff.   Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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]]> By: ライトニング http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-157126 ライトニング Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:24:03 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-157126 Yeah, I also forgot to mention, sometimes on Yahoo Dictionary, The first result may have an uncommon reading, and it will usually come without a sentence. On the right bar, choose the same compound with different reading, and usually it will be the common one with sentences. Sanseido will almost always give the most common one as the first result, so you can find out which one you need to take. Yeah, I also forgot to mention, sometimes on Yahoo Dictionary, The first result may have an uncommon reading, and it will usually come without a sentence. On the right bar, choose the same compound with different reading, and usually it will be the common one with sentences. Sanseido will almost always give the most common one as the first result, so you can find out which one you need to take.

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]]> By: ブライアン http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-156950 ブライアン Fri, 11 Nov 2011 05:25:15 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-156950 Another note on this:  be sure you're getting the right reading for a given situation.  (This means dictionary lookups, not pasting together on/kun readings.)  There are cases where a visually identical word will have multiple readings with different meanings.  I.E.:  行って　can be read 「いって」(going) or 「おこなって」(preforming/carrying out an action). (FWIW, the main forms are different: 行く、行う). J-J dictionary defintions will help distinguish between them.  If you're not certain, move on, it's not worth it to be learning incorrect information. Another note on this:  be sure you’re getting the right reading for a given situation.  (This means dictionary lookups, not pasting together on/kun readings.)  There are cases where a visually identical word will have multiple readings with different meanings.  I.E.:  行って　can be read 「いって」(going) or 「おこなって」(preforming/carrying out an action). (FWIW, the main forms are different: 行く、行う). J-J dictionary defintions will help distinguish between them.  If you’re not certain, move on, it’s not worth it to be learning incorrect information.

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]]> By: ライトニング http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-156816 ライトニング Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:13:11 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-156816 Sorry, take away the www. on the yahoo one :P Sorry, take away the www. on the yahoo one :P

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]]> By: ライトニング http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-156813 ライトニング Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:12:09 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-156813 When you paste them into an online dictionary like www.sanseido.net or www.dic.yahoo.co.jp, it will show the reading above the definition. Also, when you write them into the kanji pad if you have microsoft IME, it will show kun and on readings When you paste them into an online dictionary like www.sanseido.net or www.dic.yahoo.co.jp, it will show the reading above the definition. Also, when you write them into the kanji pad if you have microsoft IME, it will show kun and on readings

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]]> By: ライトニング http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-156407 ライトニング Thu, 10 Nov 2011 04:44:34 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-156407 Here's an example on how I format my SRS cards I have the original sentence on the front and on the back, i put the readings right after the kanji and before the kana ending （戦「たたか」う）. Under the sentence with the readings added in (Couldn't find out how to get the anki plugin to work) I put the word, then in parenthesis the definition. Every recursive look up is indented. (Front) 敗者復活戦 (Back) 敗者「はいしゃ」復活「ふっかつ」戦「せん」 Sentence with readings added 敗者（勝負に負けた人） Definition     負ける（(対)勝つ） Recursive definition. 復活（死んだものが生き返ること。蘇る。） Definition 戦（戦い） Definition You could try using that for your korean, all you need to do is remove the reading line.       Here’s an example on how I format my SRS cards
I have the original sentence on the front and on the back, i put the readings right after the kanji and before the kana ending （戦「たたか」う）. Under the sentence with the readings added in (Couldn’t find out how to get the anki plugin to work) I put the word, then in parenthesis the definition. Every recursive look up is indented.
(Front)
敗者復活戦
(Back)
敗者「はいしゃ」復活「ふっかつ」戦「せん」 Sentence with readings added
敗者（勝負に負けた人） Definition
    負ける（(対)勝つ） Recursive definition.
復活（死んだものが生き返ること。蘇る。） Definition
戦（戦い） Definition
You could try using that for your korean, all you need to do is remove the reading line.
 
 
 

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]]> By: michael http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-156361 michael Thu, 10 Nov 2011 03:09:02 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-156361 where do you find the sounds of the kanji for you sentences? where do you find the sounds of the kanji for you sentences?

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]]> By: Doug http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-156184 Doug Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:48:15 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-156184 That makes sense, thank you.  :) That makes sense, thank you.  :)

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]]> By: ライトニング http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-155883 ライトニング Wed, 09 Nov 2011 05:11:35 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-155883 Well, since korean has spaces, you already know where the words are. Not saying that it's hard to find where the words are in japanese, because the particles and kanji/compounds clearly show where, but anyways. Well, on the reverse side, definitions to the words in the sentences of course. Maybe notes for the functions of particles, and in the bilingual stage, translations. Everything is the same for japanese, just take away readings. Well, since korean has spaces, you already know where the words are.
Not saying that it’s hard to find where the words are in japanese, because the particles and kanji/compounds clearly show where, but anyways.
Well, on the reverse side, definitions to the words in the sentences of course. Maybe notes for the functions of particles, and in the bilingual stage, translations. Everything is the same for japanese, just take away readings.

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]]> By: Doug http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-155798 Doug Wed, 09 Nov 2011 01:08:48 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-155798 Hi, I have a question: how would you approach this with something like Korean, which has a phonetic alphabet of its own and little or no use of Chinese characters? I started applying your method to Japanese recently, but I also want to apply it to Korean as well (another language I've been studying in parallel), but since I can read Hangeul already, I am not sure what to put in the reverse-side of the flash cards.  Any advice appreciated.  :) Hi, I have a question: how would you approach this with something like Korean, which has a phonetic alphabet of its own and little or no use of Chinese characters?

I started applying your method to Japanese recently, but I also want to apply it to Korean as well (another language I’ve been studying in parallel), but since I can read Hangeul already, I am not sure what to put in the reverse-side of the flash cards.  Any advice appreciated.  :)

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]]> By: Miss Language Learning http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-149966 Miss Language Learning Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:22:17 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-sentences-how#comment-149966 Wow, thanks a lot for this article. I'm re-reading the whole website 3 years after having started studying English hardcore. I'm reading all the comments too. It's really helping me! Wow, thanks a lot for this article. I’m re-reading the whole website 3 years after having started studying English hardcore. I’m reading all the comments too. It’s really helping me!

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