10,000 Sentences Is Dead

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  27 comments for “10,000 Sentences Is Dead

  1. Sebbe
    February 21, 2012 at 01:45

    say WHAT?

  2. Harry
    February 21, 2012 at 03:14

    And so it begins….

    • February 21, 2012 at 03:26

      ….or has it just ended?

      • Harry
        February 21, 2012 at 03:31

        Both. From the Ashes rises a new way. :P The MCD phoenix 

  3. Sebastian
    February 21, 2012 at 03:50

    It’s expired and gone to meet its maker!

  4. Freddy
    February 21, 2012 at 04:29

    MCD?

  5. Freddy
    February 21, 2012 at 04:39

    Nevermind, ha ha, he’s only been talking about it for a while now, d’oh!
    Had a foggy moment is all. Cool. Yeah, well I think the MCD method is a definite improvement to just sentences. In this way, you can actually concentrate on the one aspect of the sentence that ties everything together. This example might be better suited for multiple sentence context situations, though.

    Hmm, can’t wait to give it a try going forward. 

  6. Sheryaar
    February 21, 2012 at 04:42

    Glad you aren’t dogmatic about your methods
    I take more from people that allow their ideas to change as they grow – let’s see what’s in the candy bag this time around.

  7. Thomas Smith
    February 21, 2012 at 04:43

    I just deleted my entire deck of sentences (2300 and something). For the next 8 days, I can read the glistening pile of books I’ve been avoiding coz SRSing them felt like too much of a chore.
    “Why hello Fun, I haven’t seen you since like week 3 of the project! How are you doing old freind? Oh me? Err, nevermind… we’ve got work to do…”
    BTW, what’s MCD? 

    • February 21, 2012 at 06:25

      You’ll find out in 8 days, or you could google search “massive-context cloze deletion” and spoil the surprise.

    • ナカツ
      February 21, 2012 at 20:02

      You deleted your entire deck?! I sure hope you like MCDs…

      • Thomas Smith
        February 23, 2012 at 02:21

        Yep! It was the slave, I was the master. It was getting annoying so I killed it, which you can do to a slave if you like, don’t forget. Hopefully this MCD thing will be more cooperative. In the meantime, the 8-day vacation from the sentence plantation is panning out rather nicely :D

    • Matt
      February 22, 2012 at 21:41

      If SRS is preventing you from reading, ditch your SRS (or atleast the method in which you are using your SRS).  It’s your slave, not your master.  Only use an SRS where it helps, not hinders.  Maybe MCDs will help, but more importantly, make sure you aren’t forcing yourself to do any SRS for anything that you just as easily enjoy without it.

  8. ハックスリ
    February 21, 2012 at 05:10

    どういう事ですかヽ〔゚Д゚〕丿

  9. Eri
    February 21, 2012 at 07:37

    Are you finally going to tell us non-AJATT+ers what MCDs are? If you are, I will forgive you for all your past sins (you know what I’m taking about).

  10. ライトニング
    February 21, 2012 at 09:10

    なんじゃこりゃ!?

  11. ダンちゃん
    February 21, 2012 at 10:15

    Here it comes. Loving a return to plan Jane sentences myself. I just don’t spend any real time reading Japanese online. 

    My magic formula.

    Read It Later (plugin) +
    Yahoo.jp online dictionary +
    Anki (vanilla sentences)

    • kalek
      February 23, 2012 at 04:57

      I returned to plain sentences too, after my ongoing MCD burnout since last November, and I’m loving it.

    • フーラン
      February 23, 2012 at 08:24

      Same for me. I took all the parts of MCD I loved (+1 effect, highlighting instead of clozed and more context) and applied it to my old sentence deck.
      MCDs just took too much time for me to review when I could have been reading all the books I was dying to read.

  12. brityan
    February 21, 2012 at 11:11

    You’ve waited this long to announce it on PORAB? Meaning everyone has been continuing with sentence decks this whole time??! That’s heartless!

  13. fangsryoga
    February 21, 2012 at 12:17

    Before you go dissing MCDs for their simplicity – they’re really not that simple, more elegant really – please read the following article on making effective cloze deletion cards. It was written by Piotr Wozniak (i.e. the dude that invented SRS) so he knows what he’s talking about.

    20 rules of formulating knowledge
    www.supermemo.com/articles/20rules.htm

    • February 22, 2012 at 14:03

      Thanks for posting that link.  That’s a very interesting site.

  14. fangsryoga
    February 21, 2012 at 12:27

    ^ Part 10 on avoiding enumerations, when applied to MCDs, offers infinite possibilities for formatting for a specific purpose (i.e. practicing pure reading comprehension vs. guessing what is in the cloze).

  15. Matt
    February 22, 2012 at 12:32

    I suggest not thinking about it purely in terms of MCDs VS Sentences.  MCDs to me was just realizing that I can make better cards by

    1.  simplifying the difficulty of each card, in trade for possibly more cards.  This means on troublesome reading doesn’t cause 2 other easy readings to get over repeated and boring.

    2.  Lots of context is good, when you can get it and it makes sense.

    3.  Cloze Deletions can really help with particles and other grammar constructs.

    For me, I didn’t ditch my plain jayne sentence deck.  But I have been slowly increasing my deletes of bad cards, or fixing cards that I like that I think could be better designed.  If you keep going from one extreme to the other, you may spend more time focusing on the technical format of your SRSing over fixing what things are uninteresting to you, and slowing your study down.

  16. Mark
    February 22, 2012 at 16:40

    I find it difficult to become interested in cloze deletion without some evidence that they are more effective than sentences. Is there any additional gain from using it? Does it increase recall at the expense of learning time?

  17. February 25, 2012 at 06:26

    I’d like more info about cloze deletion too, it’s high time this method became mainstream!

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