Comments on: Beyond Binging and Purging: Why You Maybe Sometimes Shouldn’t Try Overcorrecting When You Screw Up http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/beyond-binging-and-purging-why-you-maybe-shouldnt-try-overcorrecting-for-when-you-screw-up You don't learn a language, you get used to it. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:37:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Don’t Have High Standards, Have Wide Standards | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/beyond-binging-and-purging-why-you-maybe-shouldnt-try-overcorrecting-for-when-you-screw-up#comment-174121 Don’t Have High Standards, Have Wide Standards | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time Wed, 07 Dec 2011 15:01:05 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=497#comment-174121 [...] don’t need a lone, phallically-shaped, never-repeating spike on the left side: that’s binging and purging. You don’t want the Washington Monument. You want the Lincoln [...] [...] don’t need a lone, phallically-shaped, never-repeating spike on the left side: that’s binging and purging. You don’t want the Washington Monument. You want the Lincoln [...]

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]]> By: Austin http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/beyond-binging-and-purging-why-you-maybe-shouldnt-try-overcorrecting-for-when-you-screw-up#comment-118502 Austin Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:52:09 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=497#comment-118502 To answer you question about planes being off-course (like most things) it's a little more complicated, but essentially correct. Truth is that whatever your destination the shortest distance there is a straight line, right? Well, you can't always make that straight line, despite going 'as the crow flies' because of two factors: wind, and other planes. Wind is just there, in fact it's more there up in the blue because in general it's stronger. If it's a gusty day on the ground at 15 knots, it's probably 50 knots 5000' up. It's usually at least 50 knots up where we commonly fly in the 20 to 30 thousand foot region, but I've seen winds as high as 150 knots in the gulf stream. So you need to correct for that wind, and the most common way to do that is to 'crab' into it. If the wind is pushing me 10 NM south for every 100 miles West I go, then what I do is point 10 NM North of the spot I want to go in 100 miles. That way even though the wind pushed me 10 South, I end up where I wanted because otherwise I would've been 10 too far north. Hopefully that makes sense; I'd draw you a picture if I could. The second factor (other planes) is really Air Traffic Control (ATC) who is always telling me where to go and what to do with my jet. They do this so that they can manage all these planes that would otherwise fly any which way they wanted with no regard for any other plane in the sky. "See and Avoid" is the phrase used when you don't want to bother with ATC, and is pretty much exactly what it sounds like. It's not so tough when you're in a small single engine Cessna at low altitude where your only worries are other slow Cessnas (and the occasional military jet). But if you're flying an airliner at 33 thousand feet traveling 500 knots true you may not have time to both 'see and avoid.' Plus jerking a jumbo jet around would upset the majority of the travelers inside. So for the short version of the long answer to your short question: Yeah, we're not following the straight line, but no, we're never 'off course'... Unless we're lost. To answer you question about planes being off-course (like most things) it’s a little more complicated, but essentially correct. Truth is that whatever your destination the shortest distance there is a straight line, right? Well, you can’t always make that straight line, despite going ‘as the crow flies’ because of two factors: wind, and other planes. Wind is just there, in fact it’s more there up in the blue because in general it’s stronger. If it’s a gusty day on the ground at 15 knots, it’s probably 50 knots 5000′ up. It’s usually at least 50 knots up where we commonly fly in the 20 to 30 thousand foot region, but I’ve seen winds as high as 150 knots in the gulf stream. So you need to correct for that wind, and the most common way to do that is to ‘crab’ into it. If the wind is pushing me 10 NM south for every 100 miles West I go, then what I do is point 10 NM North of the spot I want to go in 100 miles. That way even though the wind pushed me 10 South, I end up where I wanted because otherwise I would’ve been 10 too far north. Hopefully that makes sense; I’d draw you a picture if I could.

The second factor (other planes) is really Air Traffic Control (ATC) who is always telling me where to go and what to do with my jet. They do this so that they can manage all these planes that would otherwise fly any which way they wanted with no regard for any other plane in the sky. “See and Avoid” is the phrase used when you don’t want to bother with ATC, and is pretty much exactly what it sounds like. It’s not so tough when you’re in a small single engine Cessna at low altitude where your only worries are other slow Cessnas (and the occasional military jet). But if you’re flying an airliner at 33 thousand feet traveling 500 knots true you may not have time to both ‘see and avoid.’ Plus jerking a jumbo jet around would upset the majority of the travelers inside.

So for the short version of the long answer to your short question: Yeah, we’re not following the straight line, but no, we’re never ‘off course’… Unless we’re lost.

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]]> By: AJATT SilverSpoon: You Will Be Fluent in Japanese 595 Days From Now | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/beyond-binging-and-purging-why-you-maybe-shouldnt-try-overcorrecting-for-when-you-screw-up#comment-97051 AJATT SilverSpoon: You Will Be Fluent in Japanese 595 Days From Now | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time Mon, 09 May 2011 04:54:37 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=497#comment-97051 [...] had several failed attempts at learning Japanese — keep starting and stopping, binging and purging (“bulimic learning”), three-day monk [...] [...] had several failed attempts at learning Japanese — keep starting and stopping, binging and purging (“bulimic learning”), three-day monk [...]

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]]> By: ブライアン http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/beyond-binging-and-purging-why-you-maybe-shouldnt-try-overcorrecting-for-when-you-screw-up#comment-64569 ブライアン Mon, 13 Dec 2010 04:40:22 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=497#comment-64569 こんばんは。 It's my first post here, so let me start by saying: Khatz, you changed how I approach life. Major props to you. Anyway, on to my point: I'm currently in the midst of RTK (628/2042). I've been keeping up with my reviews the entire time, but I've had a very difficult time adding new kanji with any sort of consistency. Generally speaking, I have to force myself to do it, either out of obligation or because リトルバスターズ is showing me how very illiterate I am. Binging and purging. I know it's not a race, but 10 kanji a day is unacceptable for having basically nothing to do (part-time job one day a week and no school = free time!) In fact, adding kanji--or NOT adding kanji--was leaving such a bad taste I would drop immersion to get away from it. SO, (I think) I've found a solution. Anki (my SRS of choice) has an option to limit how many new cards you see per day. I decided to set that relatively low (20). Now, when I have a kanji-binge session, I build up a massive log of cards that then get introduced at a constant pace. Rather than learning 50 kanji in one day and then not doing anything new for a week, I enter a bunch at once and have them introduced over the following days. Interestingly, this has made me more eager to add new cards; I enjoy seeing the card numbers go up without having a boatload of first-time reps to go with it. Of course, this isn't optimal, but I figure it's better to work with flaws rather than fight them. (Also, my solution is rather obvious, but if it took me two months to figure it out maybe someone else might find it useful?) こんばんは。

It’s my first post here, so let me start by saying: Khatz, you changed how I approach life. Major props to you.

Anyway, on to my point:

I’m currently in the midst of RTK (628/2042). I’ve been keeping up with my reviews the entire time, but I’ve had a very difficult time adding new kanji with any sort of consistency. Generally speaking, I have to force myself to do it, either out of obligation or because リトルバスターズ is showing me how very illiterate I am. Binging and purging.

I know it’s not a race, but 10 kanji a day is unacceptable for having basically nothing to do (part-time job one day a week and no school = free time!) In fact, adding kanji–or NOT adding kanji–was leaving such a bad taste I would drop immersion to get away from it.

SO, (I think) I’ve found a solution. Anki (my SRS of choice) has an option to limit how many new cards you see per day. I decided to set that relatively low (20). Now, when I have a kanji-binge session, I build up a massive log of cards that then get introduced at a constant pace. Rather than learning 50 kanji in one day and then not doing anything new for a week, I enter a bunch at once and have them introduced over the following days. Interestingly, this has made me more eager to add new cards; I enjoy seeing the card numbers go up without having a boatload of first-time reps to go with it.

Of course, this isn’t optimal, but I figure it’s better to work with flaws rather than fight them. (Also, my solution is rather obvious, but if it took me two months to figure it out maybe someone else might find it useful?)

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]]> By: Don’t Be A Hero | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/beyond-binging-and-purging-why-you-maybe-shouldnt-try-overcorrecting-for-when-you-screw-up#comment-55598 Don’t Be A Hero | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:00:53 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=497#comment-55598 [...] Type 1: Doing easy things. No boring materials. No SRS binge/purge. [...] [...] Type 1: Doing easy things. No boring materials. No SRS binge/purge. [...]

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]]> By: アメド http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/beyond-binging-and-purging-why-you-maybe-shouldnt-try-overcorrecting-for-when-you-screw-up#comment-32711 アメド Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:13:15 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=497#comment-32711 Poems to SRS as well everyone http://www.classical-japanese.net/Poetry/index.html it has all the kanji but the readings are in romaji. But it does have a translation for each sentence. I wasn't thinking of SRSing this things but seeing how these are short and concise. It works out well! Poems to SRS as well everyone
www.classical-japanese.net/Poetry/index.html

it has all the kanji but the readings are in romaji. But it does have a translation for each sentence. I wasn’t thinking of SRSing this things but seeing how these are short and concise. It works out well!

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]]> By: アメド http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/beyond-binging-and-purging-why-you-maybe-shouldnt-try-overcorrecting-for-when-you-screw-up#comment-32499 アメド Sat, 23 Jan 2010 02:50:50 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=497#comment-32499 LOL i laughed so hard listening to this. It made me happy and all at the same time laugh lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhxuD3Ku4Q0 よっかた俺はわかったてる LOL i laughed so hard listening to this. It made me happy and all at the same time laugh lol.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhxuD3Ku4Q0

よっかた俺はわかったてる

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]]> By: Brent http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/beyond-binging-and-purging-why-you-maybe-shouldnt-try-overcorrecting-for-when-you-screw-up#comment-32495 Brent Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:10:02 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=497#comment-32495 @Khatzmoto So...Is the Shelly quote based on Frisky Dingo? I really like that part and was just curious if you've watched it at all. Great post. ^_^ @Khatzmoto

So…Is the Shelly quote based on Frisky Dingo? I really like that part and was just curious if you’ve watched it at all.

Great post. ^_^

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]]> By: SRS Addict http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/beyond-binging-and-purging-why-you-maybe-shouldnt-try-overcorrecting-for-when-you-screw-up#comment-32394 SRS Addict Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:32:25 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=497#comment-32394 Correction: "IT required a serious commitment." (I wish there was an "edit" button.) Correction:

“IT required a serious commitment.”

(I wish there was an “edit” button.)

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]]> By: SRS Addict http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/beyond-binging-and-purging-why-you-maybe-shouldnt-try-overcorrecting-for-when-you-screw-up#comment-32393 SRS Addict Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:30:57 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=497#comment-32393 Here is my $0.02. I stopped using Supermemo twice, and both instances were within two weeks or so. Since then I have never missed a day in 3+ years. Even on some days where I have more than 600 cards (Only happened a few times), even on days when, due to a time zone change, I was dead tired and wanted to skip it, I still did it. When I was on a bus in Canada at 11:00pm and realized that my SRS was still not finished, I did it there on the bus (With my laptop). Even when sick, I would do it. Why? Because SRS programs lose effectiveness when not used daily. I realized pretty quickly my SRS program wasn't something I can approach casually, I required serious commitment. I had no excuse to ever miss a day. Like the marketing people tell you, "Just do it." Here is my $0.02. I stopped using Supermemo twice, and both instances were within two weeks or so. Since then I have never missed a day in 3+ years. Even on some days where I have more than 600 cards (Only happened a few times), even on days when, due to a time zone change, I was dead tired and wanted to skip it, I still did it. When I was on a bus in Canada at 11:00pm and realized that my SRS was still not finished, I did it there on the bus (With my laptop). Even when sick, I would do it. Why? Because SRS programs lose effectiveness when not used daily. I realized pretty quickly my SRS program wasn’t something I can approach casually, I required serious commitment. I had no excuse to ever miss a day. Like the marketing people tell you, “Just do it.”

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]]> By: All Japanese All The Time Dot Com: How to learn Japanese. On your own, having fun and to fluency. » When You Just Don’t Feel Like Doing Sentence Reps Any More… http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/beyond-binging-and-purging-why-you-maybe-shouldnt-try-overcorrecting-for-when-you-screw-up#comment-32368 All Japanese All The Time Dot Com: How to learn Japanese. On your own, having fun and to fluency. » When You Just Don’t Feel Like Doing Sentence Reps Any More… Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:05:52 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=497#comment-32368 [...] response to this article on binging and purging, I got this really cool comment from Maya, one of AJATT’s best link-suppliers: Just out of [...] [...] response to this article on binging and purging, I got this really cool comment from Maya, one of AJATT’s best link-suppliers: Just out of [...]

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]]> By: アメド http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/beyond-binging-and-purging-why-you-maybe-shouldnt-try-overcorrecting-for-when-you-screw-up#comment-32361 アメド Thu, 21 Jan 2010 03:15:25 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=497#comment-32361 Khatz you should talk about, how you improved you're writing skills in Japanese. I've always been interested in the writing portion a lot. I do kana to kanji production in my SRS when I'm adding sentences, I just to mix up the sentence with kana-kanji and kanji-kana. But yea, did you do any other techniques to help with you're writing? or did it naturally get better with immersion+kana to kanji production SRS cards? Or was it that, you kept writing and writing and writing that it became naturally part of you're gaining skills in you're Japanese? For me personally i was thinking of just keep writing and doing the same things I'm doing, but try writing basic grammar sentences,regular speech sentences,etc. Unno just to get a feel for it i guess. Khatz you should talk about, how you improved you’re writing skills in Japanese. I’ve always been interested in the writing portion a lot. I do kana to kanji production in my SRS when I’m adding sentences, I just to mix up the sentence with kana-kanji and kanji-kana. But yea, did you do any other techniques to help with you’re writing? or did it naturally get better with immersion+kana to kanji production SRS cards? Or was it that, you kept writing and writing and writing that it became naturally part of you’re gaining skills in you’re Japanese? For me personally i was thinking of just keep writing and doing the same things I’m doing, but try writing basic grammar sentences,regular speech sentences,etc. Unno just to get a feel for it i guess.

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]]> By: アメド http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/beyond-binging-and-purging-why-you-maybe-shouldnt-try-overcorrecting-for-when-you-screw-up#comment-32343 アメド Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:28:14 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=497#comment-32343 lol. Overachieving eh? Unno for me personally i just like to due a lot of things. Lots of kanji meanings, lots of sentences, lots of immersion, lots of everything and personally lots of japanese!!!!! LOL "You think it’s a joke, アメド!? THINK AGAIN, MY OVERACHIEVING FRIEND. Think about how far you’ve followed Khatz, how much you’ve invested for a little tiny language. Imagine if he ran with a God-complex and offered nirvana. We’d all be harvesting grapes. ALL OF US." That was funny. lol. Overachieving eh? Unno for me personally i just like to due a lot of things. Lots of kanji meanings, lots of sentences, lots of immersion, lots of everything and personally lots of japanese!!!!!

LOL
“You think it’s a joke, アメド!? THINK AGAIN, MY OVERACHIEVING FRIEND.
Think about how far you’ve followed Khatz, how much you’ve invested for a little tiny language. Imagine if he ran with a God-complex and offered nirvana.
We’d all be harvesting grapes. ALL OF US.”

That was funny.

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]]> By: Drewskie http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/beyond-binging-and-purging-why-you-maybe-shouldnt-try-overcorrecting-for-when-you-screw-up#comment-32314 Drewskie Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:37:52 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=497#comment-32314 o.o o.o

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]]> By: khatzumoto http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/beyond-binging-and-purging-why-you-maybe-shouldnt-try-overcorrecting-for-when-you-screw-up#comment-32313 khatzumoto Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:08:30 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=497#comment-32313 No, Sam! It's too early for that! まだ早いぞ！ They're not ready for it yet... Not yet... Not yet... No, Sam! It’s too early for that! まだ早いぞ！
They’re not ready for it yet…

Not yet…

Not yet…

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]]> By: Matt http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/beyond-binging-and-purging-why-you-maybe-shouldnt-try-overcorrecting-for-when-you-screw-up#comment-32312 Matt Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:36:25 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=497#comment-32312 For some reason I'm getting a craving for Kool-Aid... For some reason I’m getting a craving for Kool-Aid…

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]]> By: Drewskie http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/beyond-binging-and-purging-why-you-maybe-shouldnt-try-overcorrecting-for-when-you-screw-up#comment-32307 Drewskie Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:00:30 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=497#comment-32307 You think it's a joke, アメド!? THINK AGAIN, MY OVERACHIEVING FRIEND. Think about how far you've followed Khatz, how much you've invested for a little tiny language. Imagine if he ran with a God-complex and offered nirvana. We'd all be harvesting grapes. ALL OF US. You think it’s a joke, アメド!? THINK AGAIN, MY OVERACHIEVING FRIEND.

Think about how far you’ve followed Khatz, how much you’ve invested for a little tiny language. Imagine if he ran with a God-complex and offered nirvana.

We’d all be harvesting grapes. ALL OF US.

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]]> By: アメド http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/beyond-binging-and-purging-why-you-maybe-shouldnt-try-overcorrecting-for-when-you-screw-up#comment-32299 アメド Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:19:50 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=497#comment-32299 LOL. AJATT is a cult? i never knew..... Yea right. Khatz is the same as everyone else. Everyones capable of becoming fluent in the language they so desire to learn! LOL. AJATT is a cult? i never knew…..
Yea right. Khatz is the same as everyone else. Everyones capable of becoming fluent in the language they so desire to learn!

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]]> By: Drewskie http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/beyond-binging-and-purging-why-you-maybe-shouldnt-try-overcorrecting-for-when-you-screw-up#comment-32298 Drewskie Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:16:01 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=497#comment-32298 SAM SHUSH DON'T LISTEN TO HIM KHATZ, HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S SAYING. YOU'RE REGULAR. NO CULTS. NO. CULTS. I don't want to wind up on some farming commune, dammit! SAM SHUSH

DON’T LISTEN TO HIM KHATZ, HE DOESN’T KNOW WHAT HE’S SAYING. YOU’RE REGULAR.

NO CULTS. NO. CULTS.

I don’t want to wind up on some farming commune, dammit!

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]]> By: Sam http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/beyond-binging-and-purging-why-you-maybe-shouldnt-try-overcorrecting-for-when-you-screw-up#comment-32294 Sam Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:16:58 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=497#comment-32294 Khatz is god! Khatz is god!

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