Comments on: Reader Story: Three Months of Sentences http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/reader-story-three-months-of-sentences How to learn Japanese. On your own, having fun and to fluency. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:11:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Chris41188 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/reader-story-three-months-of-sentences#comment-12128 Chris41188 Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:40:13 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=274#comment-12128 AS faras the insight of making mistakes go, yes it is true tha children make mistakes but if a child makes a mistake they are correct by the parents teachers, if an adult makes a mistake they have no parents or teachers to correct them an dit is considered rude to correct the. think about it my uni lecturers are all foreign and they make tons of mistakes but no one is going to put the hand up and star correcting their grammer, theyd sound like a d!ck, so the go on assumin there grammer.pronounciatiom was right, but children are corrected all the time. Also i think that when children learn a language the have no prevoius knowledge of a language to interfier, what they learn is what the know and its what they think in, so there forced to constanly think only in the language theve just learnt as the know nothing else " Lloyd said, July 6, 2008 @ 10:02 am Yo, Khatzu and the other gentle readers! I have a question… do you think that correction is worth anything? As in does it help? Here’s what I’m thinking… I heard in some of my college linguistics classes that children are pretty much immune to correction. You correct their grammar all you want and they still keep on talking the exact same way until one day… *POOF*… it fixes itself. I’m wondering if we, the “adult learners,” are the same. I know you like to say that there’s no difference from child and adult learners in their ability to learn language, and maybe that’s true. But obviously there’s a difference in THE WAY they learn. And this is also one of your main points.. LOTS OF INPUT. Children get tons of input while a lot of adult learners don’t. So here’s my question a bit restated… If we’re getting tons of input, do you think our errors will heal themselves in time? And here’s something else relevant to my question… you’ve often said input before output for fear that we’ll get stuck in our ungrammatical ways and never change (or that it’ll be harder to change in the future). However, once again, what about kids? They speak as soon as they can and are making tons of errors, yet eventually they all move on to be fluent, more or less error-less native speakers. Also, I know a guy who was a Mormon missionary here in Japan for two years. When he came here he only had 3 months of Japanese training. He was here for two years, studying for about an hour every morning and then talking to people on the street for 9 hrs. a day. I’m sure in the beginning he was making lots of errors but now native Japanese speakers say his Japanese is great and very natural. What’re your thoughts?" AS faras the insight of making mistakes go, yes it is true tha children make mistakes but if a child makes a mistake they are correct by the parents teachers, if an adult makes a mistake they have no parents or teachers to correct them an dit is considered rude to correct the. think about it my uni lecturers are all foreign and they make tons of mistakes but no one is going to put the hand up and star correcting their grammer, theyd sound like a d!ck, so the go on assumin there grammer.pronounciatiom was right, but children are corrected all the time.
Also i think that when children learn a language the have no prevoius knowledge of a language to interfier, what they learn is what the know and its what they think in, so there forced to constanly think only in the language theve just learnt as the know nothing else

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Lloyd said,

July 6, 2008 @ 10:02 am

Yo, Khatzu and the other gentle readers!

I have a question… do you think that correction is worth anything? As in does it help?

Here’s what I’m thinking…
I heard in some of my college linguistics classes that children are pretty much immune to correction. You correct their grammar all you want and they still keep on talking the exact same way until one day… *POOF*… it fixes itself. I’m wondering if we, the “adult learners,” are the same. I know you like to say that there’s no difference from child and adult learners in their ability to learn language, and maybe that’s true. But obviously there’s a difference in THE WAY they learn. And this is also one of your main points.. LOTS OF INPUT. Children get tons of input while a lot of adult learners don’t. So here’s my question a bit restated…

If we’re getting tons of input, do you think our errors will heal themselves in time?

And here’s something else relevant to my question… you’ve often said input before output for fear that we’ll get stuck in our ungrammatical ways and never change (or that it’ll be harder to change in the future). However, once again, what about kids? They speak as soon as they can and are making tons of errors, yet eventually they all move on to be fluent, more or less error-less native speakers. Also, I know a guy who was a Mormon missionary here in Japan for two years. When he came here he only had 3 months of Japanese training. He was here for two years, studying for about an hour every morning and then talking to people on the street for 9 hrs. a day. I’m sure in the beginning he was making lots of errors but now native Japanese speakers say his Japanese is great and very natural.

What’re your thoughts?”

]]> By: rebecca http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/reader-story-three-months-of-sentences#comment-9615 rebecca Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:14:05 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=274#comment-9615 hi,Khatzu,I leave the message for you again.Now I try your method that immerece myself into japanese surrouding.Listening Japanese all the time,even when i am sleeping,i try to listening the languege.I think your way of studying Japanese may suitable for me.And i think my listening is much better than before.But i am also so confuse that i can not write a correct sentence in English now.How should I do?In our company,we don't need to write in English but our system is in English.But it is no problem for me.The most hard for me is that when i want to write in English the first come to my mind is Japanese!How shold i do?And i will take the 1 JPLT in the December this year.I afraid i cannot pass the test and at the same time i may also forget all my English?? Can you give me any advise? Waiting for your kindly answer.I also believe that i can do my best to learn both english and japanese well. Mybe the reason for my poor writing of english is that i seldom listening.Anyway,i look forward your advize becuse you are good at learning launguge all by yourself. Thank you.~_~ hi,Khatzu,I leave the message for you again.Now I try your method that immerece myself into japanese surrouding.Listening Japanese all the time,even when i am sleeping,i try to listening the languege.I think your way of studying Japanese may suitable for me.And i think my listening is much better than before.But i am also so confuse that i can not write a correct sentence in English now.How should I do?In our company,we don’t need to write in English but our system is in English.But it is no problem for me.The most hard for me is that when i want to write in English the first come to my mind is Japanese!How shold i do?And i will take the 1 JPLT in the December this year.I afraid i cannot pass the test and at the same time i may also forget all my English?? Can you give me any advise?
Waiting for your kindly answer.I also believe that i can do my best to learn both english and japanese well.
Mybe the reason for my poor writing of english is that i seldom listening.Anyway,i look forward your advize becuse you are good at learning launguge all by yourself.
Thank you.~_~

]]> By: Lloyd http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/reader-story-three-months-of-sentences#comment-9494 Lloyd Sun, 06 Jul 2008 01:02:56 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=274#comment-9494 Yo, Khatzu and the other gentle readers! I have a question... do you think that correction is worth anything? As in does it help? Here's what I'm thinking... I heard in some of my college linguistics classes that children are pretty much immune to correction. You correct their grammar all you want and they still keep on talking the exact same way until one day... *POOF*... it fixes itself. I'm wondering if we, the "adult learners," are the same. I know you like to say that there's no difference from child and adult learners in their ability to learn language, and maybe that's true. But obviously there's a difference in THE WAY they learn. And this is also one of your main points.. LOTS OF INPUT. Children get tons of input while a lot of adult learners don't. So here's my question a bit restated... If we're getting tons of input, do you think our errors will heal themselves in time? And here's something else relevant to my question... you've often said input before output for fear that we'll get stuck in our ungrammatical ways and never change (or that it'll be harder to change in the future). However, once again, what about kids? They speak as soon as they can and are making tons of errors, yet eventually they all move on to be fluent, more or less error-less native speakers. Also, I know a guy who was a Mormon missionary here in Japan for two years. When he came here he only had 3 months of Japanese training. He was here for two years, studying for about an hour every morning and then talking to people on the street for 9 hrs. a day. I'm sure in the beginning he was making lots of errors but now native Japanese speakers say his Japanese is great and very natural. What're your thoughts? Yo, Khatzu and the other gentle readers!

I have a question… do you think that correction is worth anything? As in does it help?

Here’s what I’m thinking…
I heard in some of my college linguistics classes that children are pretty much immune to correction. You correct their grammar all you want and they still keep on talking the exact same way until one day… *POOF*… it fixes itself. I’m wondering if we, the “adult learners,” are the same. I know you like to say that there’s no difference from child and adult learners in their ability to learn language, and maybe that’s true. But obviously there’s a difference in THE WAY they learn. And this is also one of your main points.. LOTS OF INPUT. Children get tons of input while a lot of adult learners don’t. So here’s my question a bit restated…

If we’re getting tons of input, do you think our errors will heal themselves in time?

And here’s something else relevant to my question… you’ve often said input before output for fear that we’ll get stuck in our ungrammatical ways and never change (or that it’ll be harder to change in the future). However, once again, what about kids? They speak as soon as they can and are making tons of errors, yet eventually they all move on to be fluent, more or less error-less native speakers. Also, I know a guy who was a Mormon missionary here in Japan for two years. When he came here he only had 3 months of Japanese training. He was here for two years, studying for about an hour every morning and then talking to people on the street for 9 hrs. a day. I’m sure in the beginning he was making lots of errors but now native Japanese speakers say his Japanese is great and very natural.

What’re your thoughts?

]]> By: X3R0 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/reader-story-three-months-of-sentences#comment-9491 X3R0 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:57:43 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=274#comment-9491 @ Adam I also had that choice, but I refused because I felt a class would only slow me down, having to go at everyone else's pace while I was racing ahead of them. You can probably learn better on your own, by mimicking real Japanese dialogue rather than stiff classroom Japanese dialogue @ Adam
I also had that choice, but I refused because I felt a class would only slow me down, having to go at everyone else’s pace while I was racing ahead of them. You can probably learn better on your own, by mimicking real Japanese dialogue rather than stiff classroom Japanese dialogue

]]> By: Adam http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/reader-story-three-months-of-sentences#comment-9490 Adam Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:55:00 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=274#comment-9490 I've just started the immersion process, similar to as stated here and I will be in it for about 2 months or so. After that I have the chance to have *free* Japanese classes. That's right, free, provided by the government. Should I go for it? I'll still continue with my self study, but just a question to anyone who's reading. It'd help me practice speaking, I guess. I’ve just started the immersion process, similar to as stated here and I will be in it for about 2 months or so. After that I have the chance to have *free* Japanese classes. That’s right, free, provided by the government. Should I go for it? I’ll still continue with my self study, but just a question to anyone who’s reading. It’d help me practice speaking, I guess.

]]> By: Mark http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/reader-story-three-months-of-sentences#comment-9476 Mark Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:25:46 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=274#comment-9476 dancc: You need to install Japanese fonts etc onto your PC. Take a look here: http://www.declan-software.com/japanese_ime/#vista or here http://www.endnote.com/support/helpdocs/Changing%20Regional%20Settings%20in%20Windows%20XP.pdf If that doesn't work and the game still shows gibberish, then you need to set the codepage to Japanese http://www.sisulizer.com/support/codepages.shtml#HowToChange Good luck! dancc:
You need to install Japanese fonts etc onto your PC. Take a look here:

http://www.declan-software.com/japanese_ime/#vista

or here

http://www.endnote.com/support/helpdocs/Changing%20Regional%20Settings%20in%20Windows%20XP.pdf

If that doesn’t work and the game still shows gibberish, then you need to set the codepage to Japanese

http://www.sisulizer.com/support/codepages.shtml#HowToChange

Good luck!

]]> By: dancc http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/reader-story-three-months-of-sentences#comment-9475 dancc Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:44:09 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=274#comment-9475 Has anyone here tried loading the japanese version of final fantasy XI onto their computer? I just received the game in the mail but I am having trouble getting the game to load. And for some reason my computer does not display japanese characters in the install screen. Anyone have problems like this that can help? Has anyone here tried loading the japanese version of final fantasy XI onto their computer? I just received the game in the mail but I am having trouble getting the game to load. And for some reason my computer does not display japanese characters in the install screen.
Anyone have problems like this that can help?

]]> By: AwkwardMap http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/reader-story-three-months-of-sentences#comment-9449 AwkwardMap Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:16:55 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=274#comment-9449 @X3RO Even if you don't quite get the pinpoint details of a sentence quite yet, you just need to understand that gist of it in order to "understand" it as written in the 10,000 sentences articles. You should start to get a feel for when you "get it" enough or when you don't. I highly recommend going with a monolingual dictionary as soon as possible. Remember that it's not time wasted; you're reading the target language after all. @X3RO

Even if you don’t quite get the pinpoint details of a sentence quite yet, you just need to understand that gist of it in order to “understand” it as written in the 10,000 sentences articles. You should start to get a feel for when you “get it” enough or when you don’t. I highly recommend going with a monolingual dictionary as soon as possible. Remember that it’s not time wasted; you’re reading the target language after all.

]]> By: uberstuber http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/reader-story-three-months-of-sentences#comment-9446 uberstuber Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:15:34 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=274#comment-9446 Its too bad pokemon doesn't use any kanji T_T Its too bad pokemon doesn’t use any kanji T_T

]]> By: X3R0 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/reader-story-three-months-of-sentences#comment-9458 X3R0 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:02:25 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=274#comment-9458 Thanks for the advice, I'm going to throw myself in starting today even if it means drowning. Thanks for the advice, I’m going to throw myself in starting today even if it means drowning.

]]> By: khatzumoto http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/reader-story-three-months-of-sentences#comment-9457 khatzumoto Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:56:11 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=274#comment-9457 @X-star (X3R0) You might want to try to start by reading definitions of words you already know. Really simple words. Like 食べる。人。女。男。行く。貴方。何。誰。此処。 I understand your concerns. I'll just say that it's like clinging onto the edge of a swimming pool or a skate rink. At some point, it's time to let go, and get into the middle of the pool/rink, if you really want to swim/skate. Sure, you'll be shaky initially. There's probably never a "perfect", "just right" time. It just needs to be done... @X-star (X3R0)
You might want to try to start by reading definitions of words you already know. Really simple words. Like 食べる。人。女。男。行く。貴方。何。誰。此処。

I understand your concerns. I’ll just say that it’s like clinging onto the edge of a swimming pool or a skate rink. At some point, it’s time to let go, and get into the middle of the pool/rink, if you really want to swim/skate. Sure, you’ll be shaky initially. There’s probably never a “perfect”, “just right” time. It just needs to be done…

]]> By: Chiro-kun http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/reader-story-three-months-of-sentences#comment-9443 Chiro-kun Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:59:42 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=274#comment-9443 おめでとうAMはん！いいインスピレーションになったんや！ それとポケモンスーパーファンなんて！！！エレーぞ！ おめでとうAMはん！いいインスピレーションになったんや！

それとポケモンスーパーファンなんて！！！エレーぞ！

]]> By: X3R0 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/reader-story-three-months-of-sentences#comment-9442 X3R0 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:37:10 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=274#comment-9442 I'm at 1200 sentences now, and I keep putting off going monodic because I'm scared I'll read a sentence, think it means one thing when it actually means something else, and then put it into my SRS and never be corrected on it :\ It also doesn't help that the only dictionary I can find that has example sentences (Yahoo J-E), also has English translations that I can't help but look at to make sure I'm right I’m at 1200 sentences now, and I keep putting off going monodic because I’m scared I’ll read a sentence, think it means one thing when it actually means something else, and then put it into my SRS and never be corrected on it :\ It also doesn’t help that the only dictionary I can find that has example sentences (Yahoo J-E), also has English translations that I can’t help but look at to make sure I’m right

]]> By: madmerse http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/reader-story-three-months-of-sentences#comment-9441 madmerse Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:29:08 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=274#comment-9441 I appreciated this post. It helps to know that I'm not the only one who spent several hours slogging through sanseido only to produce a few sentences. In the beginning I guess most of the work goes into trying to understand the definitions. I appreciated this post. It helps to know that I’m not the only one who spent several hours slogging through sanseido only to produce a few sentences. In the beginning I guess most of the work goes into trying to understand the definitions.

]]> By: Mike http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/reader-story-three-months-of-sentences#comment-9437 Mike Sun, 29 Jun 2008 03:21:11 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=274#comment-9437 Cool I get first comment! I guess checking this site every 5 minutes has its perks! jk Thanks for the success story Awkward Map! I look forward to reading your progress in a few months! Cool I get first comment! I guess checking this site every 5 minutes has its perks! jk

Thanks for the success story Awkward Map! I look forward to reading your progress in a few months!

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