Comments on: Real Sample Sentences http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences How to learn Japanese. On your own, having fun and to fluency. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:57:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Bob Smith, Again http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-7984 Bob Smith, Again Sun, 09 Mar 2008 04:39:35 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-7984 Excellent website. I've just started using your technique for the sentences (SRS). (As you recommended, I'm using mnemosyne (on ubuntu)) For all those using mnemosyne or similar programs with import methods, and as a follow-up to what Charles A. said, do you think it would be possible for you to "export" your sentences (editing the one you'd feel uncomfortable about :)) . I'd really like to be able to edit someone else's personal deck of cards and add my own (contributing it back, obviously). Anyway, if you feel uncomfortable about this, sorry for the request and in any case, Thanks again for this absolutely fantastic website. Also, btw, you said: Do the Remembering The Kanji thing now and thank me later. Now, I want to officially thank you. :)) Excellent website.
I’ve just started using your technique for the sentences (SRS). (As you recommended, I’m using mnemosyne (on ubuntu))

For all those using mnemosyne or similar programs with import methods, and as a follow-up to what Charles A. said, do you think it would be possible for you to “export” your sentences (editing the one you’d feel uncomfortable about :)) . I’d really like to be able to edit someone else’s personal deck of cards and add my own (contributing it back, obviously).
Anyway, if you feel uncomfortable about this, sorry for the request and in any case, Thanks again for this absolutely fantastic website.

Also, btw, you said: Do the Remembering The Kanji thing now and thank me later. Now, I want to officially thank you. :))

]]> By: khatzumoto http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4959 khatzumoto Sat, 01 Dec 2007 09:18:33 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4959 @Charles A. I think I'm all for that. Everyone could share the same foundation, but from there branch on out in different directions according to personal taste. @Charles A.
I think I’m all for that. Everyone could share the same foundation, but from there branch on out in different directions according to personal taste.

]]> By: Charles A. http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4952 Charles A. Sat, 01 Dec 2007 06:33:31 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4952 Bucko, you can switch off the reverse cards in Anki (and Mnemosyne for that matter). Most likely you'll only want it one way. Khatz, think the time will come when someone (or group) will create a site similar to Reviewing the Kanji, but with one to two thousand sentences organized and vetted for efficiency to get the foundation started for Japanese? What would be your current opinion of such a site? Bucko, you can switch off the reverse cards in Anki (and Mnemosyne for that matter). Most likely you’ll only want it one way.

Khatz, think the time will come when someone (or group) will create a site similar to Reviewing the Kanji, but with one to two thousand sentences organized and vetted for efficiency to get the foundation started for Japanese? What would be your current opinion of such a site?

]]> By: khatzumoto http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4849 khatzumoto Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:39:35 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4849 Definitely 10k UNIQUE Definitely 10k UNIQUE

]]> By: Bucko http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4846 Bucko Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:41:17 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4846 Hey man, your methods are fantastic. I've been doing the SRS trick for the last 5 months and I've noticed a MASSIVE difference in retention. Just got a question for you. You say 10,000 sentences. My SRS program (Anki) inputs each sentence twice, one as question-answer, the other as answer-question. Are you saying that 5000 sentences, either way (10000 in total) is the way to go, or is it 10,000 unique sentences, 20,000 all together in my SRS? At the moment I'm up to 508 unique sentences, 1016 all up. Cheers, Bucko Hey man, your methods are fantastic. I’ve been doing the SRS trick for the last 5 months and I’ve noticed a MASSIVE difference in retention.

Just got a question for you. You say 10,000 sentences. My SRS program (Anki) inputs each sentence twice, one as question-answer, the other as answer-question. Are you saying that 5000 sentences, either way (10000 in total) is the way to go, or is it 10,000 unique sentences, 20,000 all together in my SRS? At the moment I’m up to 508 unique sentences, 1016 all up.

Cheers,

Bucko

]]> By: Glenn http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4771 Glenn Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:17:36 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4771 For more about 愛せない and する verbs in general, see this post: http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/japanese/message/jpnGm9OizSsGm20Zd6H.html Also, check out the rest of the thread for more discussion on it. I found it quite enlightening. For more about 愛せない and する verbs in general, see this post: http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/japanese/message/jpnGm9OizSsGm20Zd6H.html

Also, check out the rest of the thread for more discussion on it. I found it quite enlightening.

]]> By: khatzumoto http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4722 khatzumoto Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:51:27 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4722 AFAIK, v. legit. AFAIK, v. legit.

]]> By: quendidil http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4711 quendidil Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:20:56 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4711 Khatz, I've come across 愛せない a few times recently. Is this a slang word from 愛する to 愛す or legitimate Japanese? Khatz, I’ve come across 愛せない a few times recently. Is this a slang word from 愛する to 愛す or legitimate Japanese?

]]> By: khatzumoto http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4544 khatzumoto Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:56:29 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4544 "Avery" brand. "Garage Sale Labels" . They say "removable" on them (Avery also make a non-removable kind). They have several sizes, you obviously want the smallest or next to smallest kind... Those Avery stickers were ones I bought in the US, at my college bookstore. I ran out of them so now I use a local Japanese brand. “Avery” brand. “Garage Sale Labels” . They say “removable” on them (Avery also make a non-removable kind). They have several sizes, you obviously want the smallest or next to smallest kind…

Those Avery stickers were ones I bought in the US, at my college bookstore. I ran out of them so now I use a local Japanese brand.

]]> By: shaydwyrm http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4543 shaydwyrm Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:48:32 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4543 Hi Khatzumoto, I have a random question from one of your old posts. You mentioned that you were using stickers to mark unknown readings in your books, and that the ones you found didn't stick well enough to destroy the surface of the page when you took them off. Do you mind sharing the brand and/or where you got them? I've tried a few that I found near me, but they all rip off the text underneath when I take them off. Hi Khatzumoto,

I have a random question from one of your old posts. You mentioned that you were using stickers to mark unknown readings in your books, and that the ones you found didn’t stick well enough to destroy the surface of the page when you took them off. Do you mind sharing the brand and/or where you got them? I’ve tried a few that I found near me, but they all rip off the text underneath when I take them off.

]]> By: quendidil http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4487 quendidil Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:02:54 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4487 @Glenn So far, I've read quite a bit of manga (デスノート、クレイモア、らきすた、最遊記、すずか、ちょびつ、 SLAM DUNK, ちょびっ）, but as for longer texts, I am currently reading 涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱, ハリー・ポッタと賢者の石、 時を掛ける少女、　マリア様が見てる,　灼眼のシャナ and two High School guide/textbooks on 漢文 and 物理. I have read some of 村上春樹 in translation before though. Japanese books are quite expensive here in Kinokuniya though, so I can't afford to buy some of the thicker mainstream fiction books too often. I do have some "visual novels" on my computer though, like カノン, CLANNAD, fate stay/night, AIR, かな妹、月姫 and others of a less plot-heavy and more graphic nature. @Glenn
So far, I’ve read quite a bit of manga (デスノート、クレイモア、らきすた、最遊記、すずか、ちょびつ、 SLAM DUNK, ちょびっ）, but as for longer texts, I am currently reading 涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱, ハリー・ポッタと賢者の石、 時を掛ける少女、　マリア様が見てる,　灼眼のシャナ and two High School guide/textbooks on 漢文 and 物理. I have read some of 村上春樹 in translation before though. Japanese books are quite expensive here in Kinokuniya though, so I can’t afford to buy some of the thicker mainstream fiction books too often.

I do have some “visual novels” on my computer though, like カノン, CLANNAD, fate stay/night, AIR, かな妹、月姫 and others of a less plot-heavy and more graphic nature.

]]> By: khatzumoto http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4472 khatzumoto Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:29:10 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4472 >I was just wondering if you’ve had that problem at all Yeah, definitely. >I was just wondering if you’ve had that problem at all
Yeah, definitely.

]]> By: Glenn http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4470 Glenn Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:18:28 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4470 It just turns out that I have the same words in my SRS as you do. heheh I have 広辞苑 in my 電子辞書 and I copy-paste from 大辞林 at the goo site, so I'm pretty familiar with those two. I don't think I've heard of スーパー日本語大辞典, but I'm guessing it's got the 250,000 or so words that the two dictionaries I use have (maybe more?). I agree with you about trad chars, but still, I was really thrown off when I saw 丰 for 豐 and 击 for 擊, as in I had no clue what they were supposed to be until I saw the TC. I was just wondering if you've had that problem at all, because I'm sure you can't have the good fortune of everything you read being in TC. It just turns out that I have the same words in my SRS as you do. heheh I have 広辞苑 in my 電子辞書 and I copy-paste from 大辞林 at the goo site, so I’m pretty familiar with those two. I don’t think I’ve heard of スーパー日本語大辞典, but I’m guessing it’s got the 250,000 or so words that the two dictionaries I use have (maybe more?).

I agree with you about trad chars, but still, I was really thrown off when I saw 丰 for 豐 and 击 for 擊, as in I had no clue what they were supposed to be until I saw the TC. I was just wondering if you’ve had that problem at all, because I’m sure you can’t have the good fortune of everything you read being in TC.

]]> By: khatzumoto。 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4468 khatzumoto。 Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:10:01 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4468 @Glenn Wow, you really know your dictionaries. >Do you know those as well, or have you decided just to not deal with them? I suppose I do get to see the jianti when I do lookups in this particular dictionary, but I find fanti much more logical, so, I deal almost exclusively with them. We're changing back, dude, end of story 8) The j-dic is...Super日本語大辞典 @Glenn
Wow, you really know your dictionaries.

>Do you know those as well, or have you decided just to not deal with them?
I suppose I do get to see the jianti when I do lookups in this particular dictionary, but
I find fanti much more logical, so, I deal almost exclusively with them. We’re changing back, dude, end of story 8)

The j-dic is…Super日本語大辞典

]]> By: Glenn http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4467 Glenn Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:02:08 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4467 ＠quendidil Have you looked into 吉本ばなな or 村上春樹（むらかみ　はるき）? They're both pretty popular Japanese fiction writers, and I believe they're styles are on the easier side. I've read some of their stuff, and it is interesting. @khatzu What dictionaries are you using? The Japanese one doesn't seem to be either 広辞苑 or 大辞林. The 中日辞典 looks to be the 小学館中日辞典第2版. That's the one I have, and it has the exact same example sentences that you have in your SRS. I see you aren't messing with the 簡體字 that the dictionary uses exclusively. Do you know those as well, or have you decided just to not deal with them? ＠quendidil

Have you looked into 吉本ばなな or 村上春樹（むらかみ　はるき）? They’re both pretty popular Japanese fiction writers, and I believe they’re styles are on the easier side. I’ve read some of their stuff, and it is interesting.

@khatzu

What dictionaries are you using? The Japanese one doesn’t seem to be either 広辞苑 or 大辞林. The 中日辞典 looks to be the 小学館中日辞典第2版. That’s the one I have, and it has the exact same example sentences that you have in your SRS. I see you aren’t messing with the 簡體字 that the dictionary uses exclusively. Do you know those as well, or have you decided just to not deal with them?

]]> By: khatzumoto http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4453 khatzumoto Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:07:12 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4453 Yeah, I have a program that auto-generates pinyin [I am soooo cool 8) ] for me, so it's no more work for me to do it for one char than for all chars (in fact...it's less work). Yeah, I have a program that auto-generates pinyin [I am soooo cool 8) ] for me, so it’s no more work for me to do it for one char than for all chars (in fact…it’s less work).

]]> By: Christina http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4452 Christina Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:01:22 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4452 do you still really write out the pinyin for every single word in the sentence?? Isnt it just useful for the word that you are trying to learn? I cant imagine it not a waste of time to write the pinyin for "這些不同的字形.." I mean, you should have those characters down by now, right?? do you still really write out the pinyin for every single word in the sentence?? Isnt it just useful for the word that you are trying to learn? I cant imagine it not a waste of time to write the pinyin for “這些不同的字形..” I mean, you should have those characters down by now, right??

]]> By: khatzumoto http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4447 khatzumoto Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:16:37 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4447 @quend >Khatz, do you ever find yourself reading the Japanese pronunciation of a word in Chinese? Absolutely. Specifically, when some document starts with a long, unbroken string of kanji. Then I'll unconsciously read it in Chinese until I hit a kana and realize my mistake. For example, I was walking (I take lots of walks) on Thursday night, and saw a sign that said: "交通安全" (こうつうあんぜん), and I internally read it as "jiao1tong1 an1quan2". It only happens when I already know the Chinese reading, though. >Is this intentional Yes. It's because I was having trouble recalling the reading of 愚蠢 in other QA pairs, so I wanted to see it in as many places as possible. Also, if a sentence is really long, I often enter the original, whole sentence + most/all of its component clauses; this helps me get used to long sentences but provides some breaking-down so I'm not overwhelmed with one big thing to remember. >BTW, can you recommend any good native Japanese fiction? I actually don't read a lot of fiction in any language, all my non-comics are non-fiction...but...I'll let you know soon if I come across something good. >you used 清浦 奎吾 as a sentence. Just to learn the kanji? 清浦 奎吾 was a PM of Japan. I wanted to learn to read the character 奎...it's meaning was easy enough to remember that I haven't bothered learn it as a separate kanji. Furthermore, this is how I learn personal and place names. @quend
>Khatz, do you ever find yourself reading the Japanese pronunciation of a word in Chinese?
Absolutely. Specifically, when some document starts with a long, unbroken string of kanji. Then I’ll unconsciously read it in Chinese until I hit a kana and realize my mistake. For example, I was walking (I take lots of walks) on Thursday night, and saw a sign that said: “交通安全” (こうつうあんぜん), and I internally read it as “jiao1tong1 an1quan2″. It only happens when I already know the Chinese reading, though.

>Is this intentional
Yes. It’s because I was having trouble recalling the reading of 愚蠢 in other QA pairs, so I wanted to see it in as many places as possible. Also, if a sentence is really long, I often enter the original, whole sentence + most/all of its component clauses; this helps me get used to long sentences but provides some breaking-down so I’m not overwhelmed with one big thing to remember.

>BTW, can you recommend any good native Japanese fiction?
I actually don’t read a lot of fiction in any language, all my non-comics are non-fiction…but…I’ll let you know soon if I come across something good.

>you used 清浦 奎吾 as a sentence. Just to learn the kanji?
清浦 奎吾 was a PM of Japan. I wanted to learn to read the character 奎…it’s meaning was easy enough to remember that I haven’t bothered learn it as a separate kanji. Furthermore, this is how I learn personal and place names.

]]> By: quendidil http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4442 quendidil Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:54:20 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4442 Also, you used 清浦 奎吾 as a sentence. Just to learn the kanji? Also, you used 清浦 奎吾 as a sentence. Just to learn the kanji?

]]> By: quendidil http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4441 quendidil Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:49:46 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/real-sample-sentences#comment-4441 Khatz, do you ever find yourself reading the Japanese pronunciation of a word in Chinese? Like in your 1st sample, I read 膾炙 as kuai4 zhi4 immediately. Do you experience the reverse of that? btw, I don't if you know, but 膾炙人口 is a　成語 in Chinese. I notice you put 「這不是愚蠢是什麼？」 in 2 cards. One by itself and another in a longer sentence. Is this intentional? Or were they from two different extracts? If so, is the purpose to aid in understanding one sentence by itself? BTW, can you recommend any good native Japanese fiction? Preferably science fiction or fantasy but anything is good. Khatz, do you ever find yourself reading the Japanese pronunciation of a word in Chinese? Like in your 1st sample, I read 膾炙 as kuai4 zhi4 immediately. Do you experience the reverse of that?

btw, I don’t if you know, but 膾炙人口 is a　成語 in Chinese.

I notice you put 「這不是愚蠢是什麼？」 in 2 cards. One by itself and another in a longer sentence. Is this intentional? Or were they from two different extracts? If so, is the purpose to aid in understanding one sentence by itself?

BTW, can you recommend any good native Japanese fiction? Preferably science fiction or fantasy but anything is good.

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