Comments on: The Language Learner’s Prayer http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-language-learners-prayer How to learn Japanese. On your own, having fun and to fluency. Sat, 31 Jul 2010 06:35:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Kat http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-language-learners-prayer/comment-page-1#comment-29919 Kat Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:50:10 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=480#comment-29919 I've always considered your site to be a "Personal Development" site above a language learning site because the truth is, you're not teaching me 'jack' about Japanese :-P (but telling me all the juicy tips on where to get such a noble edjumucation) Anyway, I just wanted to ask about the fast-food link. I didn't get what you were getting at, because there is no mention of fecal matter or dying children pristine white or otherwise. It seems like a bad attempt to criticize honest, hard-working individuals who found a better way to do business successfully and *gasp* honestly by using a personal brand of 'personal development' we could probably learn from. (At one point, the author seemed disgusted that a honest businessman was not ASHAMED of being so successful.. because what, PROPER success is guilt-laden?) Is that why you linked? I'm just completely lost on the connection... I’ve always considered your site to be a “Personal Development” site above a language learning site because the truth is, you’re not teaching me ‘jack’ about Japanese :-P (but telling me all the juicy tips on where to get such a noble edjumucation)

Anyway, I just wanted to ask about the fast-food link. I didn’t get what you were getting at, because there is no mention of fecal matter or dying children pristine white or otherwise. It seems like a bad attempt to criticize honest, hard-working individuals who found a better way to do business successfully and *gasp* honestly by using a personal brand of ‘personal development’ we could probably learn from. (At one point, the author seemed disgusted that a honest businessman was not ASHAMED of being so successful.. because what, PROPER success is guilt-laden?) Is that why you linked? I’m just completely lost on the connection…

]]> By: Heather http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-language-learners-prayer/comment-page-1#comment-29623 Heather Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:11:25 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=480#comment-29623 Thank you! A kick in the butt is just what the doctor ordered. Thank you! A kick in the butt is just what the doctor ordered.

]]> By: Chester http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-language-learners-prayer/comment-page-1#comment-29621 Chester Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:21:04 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=480#comment-29621 HAHA, nice way to start a prayer with dawkins. He is awesome. HAHA, nice way to start a prayer with dawkins. He is awesome.

]]> By: Auxie http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-language-learners-prayer/comment-page-1#comment-29540 Auxie Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:45:52 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=480#comment-29540 First comment after 15 months of lurking (and studying) :D Thanks for the verbal slap in the face, Khatz. I don't particularly need it at the moment - motoring along quite nicely (though fluency in 15-18 months ain't gonna happen - maybe 24-36?) - but it's bookmarked for the next time I start making excuses. Also, you're 26? I always thought you were younger than me (clearly I fail at maths). The knowledge that we're the same age makes me feel better... even though you're fluent and I'm nowhere near it. Ummm, yeah. @Maya You WIN, you do. Chalk me up as a person helped : ) I can already recite the English version of Alice In Wonderland by heart (every line, every poem, every song, right down to the intonation) - now I can do it all again in Japanese! @Daniel & @Matt 26 is clearly the prime age for language learning ; ) And smoothie drinking. First comment after 15 months of lurking (and studying) :D

Thanks for the verbal slap in the face, Khatz. I don’t particularly need it at the moment – motoring along quite nicely (though fluency in 15-18 months ain’t gonna happen – maybe 24-36?) – but it’s bookmarked for the next time I start making excuses. Also, you’re 26? I always thought you were younger than me (clearly I fail at maths). The knowledge that we’re the same age makes me feel better… even though you’re fluent and I’m nowhere near it. Ummm, yeah.

@Maya

You WIN, you do. Chalk me up as a person helped : ) I can already recite the English version of Alice In Wonderland by heart (every line, every poem, every song, right down to the intonation) – now I can do it all again in Japanese!

@Daniel & @Matt

26 is clearly the prime age for language learning ; )

And smoothie drinking.

]]> By: 事理〜 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-language-learners-prayer/comment-page-1#comment-29520 事理〜 Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:02:13 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=480#comment-29520 Another great point that Khats made was Delete bad cards or they will delete you. Via Twitter... Following Japnese Speakers on twitter has a wealth of Natural sentences. and slang Another great point that Khats made was Delete bad cards or they will delete you. Via Twitter… Following Japnese Speakers on twitter has a wealth of Natural sentences. and slang

]]> By: Max http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-language-learners-prayer/comment-page-1#comment-29458 Max Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:17:00 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=480#comment-29458 Is anyone else having trouble accessing scripts on dramanote? I've been trying to get to the scripts for 花ざかりの君たちへ and 電車男 but it keeps taking me back to the main page of the site (that lists the latest drama scripts). If anyone could help me out, that would be fantastic! These scripts are the main source of my sentence mining! Is anyone else having trouble accessing scripts on dramanote? I’ve been trying to get to the scripts for 花ざかりの君たちへ and 電車男 but it keeps taking me back to the main page of the site (that lists the latest drama scripts).

If anyone could help me out, that would be fantastic! These scripts are the main source of my sentence mining!

]]> By: beneficii http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-language-learners-prayer/comment-page-1#comment-29323 beneficii Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:11:42 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=480#comment-29323 Here is a recap of the Cards game tonight in Japanese: http://www.nfljapan.com/score/recap/54654.html And I'm going to watch the Rice Bowl on January 3rd! Here is a recap of the Cards game tonight in Japanese:

http://www.nfljapan.com/score/recap/54654.html

And I’m going to watch the Rice Bowl on January 3rd!

]]> By: Aaron http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-language-learners-prayer/comment-page-1#comment-29301 Aaron Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:37:08 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=480#comment-29301 Tony Robbins has nothing on Khatz. Tony Robbins has nothing on Khatz.

]]> By: パン http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-language-learners-prayer/comment-page-1#comment-29146 パン Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:17:11 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=480#comment-29146 Thanks for the post Khatz. As rude as some people might think you are, I find you to be an awesome mentor. I think it's all about having the right attitude towards language learners when preaching them, I mean, I've read it too many times already..'It won't work for everybody'とか, 'Not everybody could reach the same results'とか and other lines coming from those who 'think' they're helping us when they're doing nothing but wasting their time and more importantly, ours. Keep up the good work! Thanks for the post Khatz.

As rude as some people might think you are, I find you to be an awesome mentor. I think it’s all about having the right attitude towards language learners when preaching them, I mean, I’ve read it too many times already..’It won’t work for everybody’とか, ‘Not everybody could reach the same results’とか and other lines coming from those who ‘think’ they’re helping us when they’re doing nothing but wasting their time and more importantly, ours.

Keep up the good work!

]]> By: アメド http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-language-learners-prayer/comment-page-1#comment-29066 アメド Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:55:07 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=480#comment-29066 @Ken Well I can't really switch my computer to japanese ,as I have to share it with other people, in the near future i'll buy myself a really really solid laptop and just make it pure Japanese. I'm trying just to put sites that i visit, such as youtube to japanese. Yea I think since I haven't really applied it much, kinda frustates me abit, Everyone wants results but obviously that takes time. But I'm trying to apply it to school, sometimes i just write random stuff in japanese, and ppl do tend to look and say "What's he writing down?!" lol I remeber i randomly wrote like a paragraph of sentences of in japanese and one girl was like "YOU KNOW JAPANESE!?". I was like no i suck at japanese! lol Maybe i;m not giving myself enough credit or something but i still suck badly. I'm sure the input will be able to get me fluent in 1 years time since i do spend quite a large amount of time doing sentences+reps and immersion. But output hasn't come just yet for me. I think my problem is just to apply it and try to see how good i've gotten so far. But input i'll do on my own, but output i'll try practising even if it's early on, like khatz said, if you want to do output early it's good just have the person who you are speaking to correct you ruthlessly lol. So far i've went to 3117 kanji and 3700 sentences in 6 months. @Ken

Well I can’t really switch my computer to japanese ,as I have to share it with other people, in the near future i’ll buy myself a really really solid laptop and just make it pure Japanese. I’m trying just to put sites that i visit, such as youtube to japanese.
Yea I think since I haven’t really applied it much, kinda frustates me abit, Everyone wants results but obviously that takes time. But I’m trying to apply it to school, sometimes i just write random stuff in japanese, and ppl do tend to look and say “What’s he writing down?!” lol I remeber i randomly wrote like a paragraph of sentences of in japanese and one girl was like “YOU KNOW JAPANESE!?”. I was like no i suck at japanese! lol Maybe i;m not giving myself enough credit or something but i still suck badly. I’m sure the input will be able to get me fluent in 1 years time since i do spend quite a large amount of time doing sentences+reps and immersion. But output hasn’t come just yet for me. I think my problem is just to apply it and try to see how good i’ve gotten so far. But input i’ll do on my own, but output i’ll try practising even if it’s early on, like khatz said, if you want to do output early it’s good just have the person who you are speaking to correct you ruthlessly lol. So far i’ve went to 3117 kanji and 3700 sentences in 6 months.

]]> By: Ken http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-language-learners-prayer/comment-page-1#comment-29041 Ken Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:34:11 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=480#comment-29041 アメド: I'm only at the kanji stage, but I find that SRS'ing *by itself* can become boring (or frustrating, since -- as Khatzu points out -- it only shows me what I suck the most at). My fix: apply it! When I walk through the International District, every week I find I can read a little more of the signs. I went to a Chinese restaurant with some friends on Saturday and I could read half the kanji on the cover of the menu (not technically Japanese but who cares?). On one of the twitter feeds I read (they're great because they're short sentences but real Japanese!), I could read a *whole sentence* today -- because one of the kanji was one that my SRS has been showing me constantly for the past couple days, and I was *finally* able to write it this morning! (But I could easily read it, since reading is 5x easier.) It also helps me to see that the things I used to think were hard, are now easy. When I flip open my kanji book to page 30, I can remember struggling with those, but today I can easily name every one. So I can imagine a day when I think the whole book is easy. Here's an idea: with that much kanji, you can probably get around on your computer pretty well. (You *do* have your computer set to Japanese, don't you?) So go into your GMail preferences and set the language to Korean for 2 minutes. Holy cow I can't read a single thing, or even pronounce anything, and all these characters look identical, I swear, and ... OK, OK, breathe, it's alright, I'll just switch it back to something easy ... Japanese! :-) アメド: I’m only at the kanji stage, but I find that SRS’ing *by itself* can become boring (or frustrating, since — as Khatzu points out — it only shows me what I suck the most at). My fix: apply it!

When I walk through the International District, every week I find I can read a little more of the signs. I went to a Chinese restaurant with some friends on Saturday and I could read half the kanji on the cover of the menu (not technically Japanese but who cares?). On one of the twitter feeds I read (they’re great because they’re short sentences but real Japanese!), I could read a *whole sentence* today — because one of the kanji was one that my SRS has been showing me constantly for the past couple days, and I was *finally* able to write it this morning! (But I could easily read it, since reading is 5x easier.)

It also helps me to see that the things I used to think were hard, are now easy. When I flip open my kanji book to page 30, I can remember struggling with those, but today I can easily name every one. So I can imagine a day when I think the whole book is easy.

Here’s an idea: with that much kanji, you can probably get around on your computer pretty well. (You *do* have your computer set to Japanese, don’t you?) So go into your GMail preferences and set the language to Korean for 2 minutes. Holy cow I can’t read a single thing, or even pronounce anything, and all these characters look identical, I swear, and … OK, OK, breathe, it’s alright, I’ll just switch it back to something easy … Japanese! :-)

]]> By: アメド http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-language-learners-prayer/comment-page-1#comment-29000 アメド Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:52:15 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=480#comment-29000 SRSing is starting to become boring recently, or maybe it's just today lol had so much tests, just feeling so lazy to continue my 100/day sentence routine. Only been 6 months(3 months kanji+3 months immersion+sentences). I've reached 3600-3700 sentences so far. I think the main problem for people to continue is the motivation, that always effects me. Like today i don't feel like doing my sentence reps(it's 769 cuz i was missed one day of reps). I'm lucky that usual my motivation is just linked to my energy. So when i've got lots i always continue. I haven't gotten any output yet, only thing is for output is probably easier to say things+read. But what i've noticed when i try to write from memory is that, it takes more input to produce output. So i'm convinced with large heavy input, it'll eventually lead to some really high level output. But i think it's good to just do both lol. Work on output with japanese people and do input on you're own, and in 1 years time, it'll both collide and produce pure ownage! SRSing is starting to become boring recently, or maybe it’s just today lol had so much tests, just feeling so lazy to continue my 100/day sentence routine. Only been 6 months(3 months kanji+3 months immersion+sentences). I’ve reached 3600-3700 sentences so far. I think the main problem for people to continue is the motivation, that always effects me. Like today i don’t feel like doing my sentence reps(it’s 769 cuz i was missed one day of reps). I’m lucky that usual my motivation is just linked to my energy. So when i’ve got lots i always continue. I haven’t gotten any output yet, only thing is for output is probably easier to say things+read. But what i’ve noticed when i try to write from memory is that, it takes more input to produce output. So i’m convinced with large heavy input, it’ll eventually lead to some really high level output. But i think it’s good to just do both lol. Work on output with japanese people and do input on you’re own, and in 1 years time, it’ll both collide and produce pure ownage!

]]> By: Surrealus http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-language-learners-prayer/comment-page-1#comment-28982 Surrealus Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:15:35 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=480#comment-28982 Your words are not my words but they mean the same. Thanks. Your words are not my words but they mean the same. Thanks.

]]> By: mypapa12 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-language-learners-prayer/comment-page-1#comment-28904 mypapa12 Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:40:25 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=480#comment-28904 I bought RTK1 thanks to you. I'll buy RTK3 next. You rocks. +1 Insightful. I bought RTK1 thanks to you. I’ll buy RTK3 next. You rocks.

+1 Insightful.

]]> By: 事理〜 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-language-learners-prayer/comment-page-1#comment-28895 事理〜 Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:25:17 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=480#comment-28895 OH yeah and Kanjilish is the new JAM! OH yeah and Kanjilish is the new JAM!

]]> By: 事理〜 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-language-learners-prayer/comment-page-1#comment-28893 事理〜 Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:24:53 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=480#comment-28893 This is the driving factor behind my life now. AND due to it I have suffered but it is for a GREATER GOOD! I read recently being lazy pays off TODAY and "HARD WORK" pays off in the future! And due to people that set forth alternative methods of Learning l.e. KHATZ and many others Hard work is HARD FUN! The fun things get done. We all tend to differ on many points and contradict ourselves but I have also read that Certainty on anything leaves no ROOM for GROWTH or development! We have to always question our theories and ideas and develop them. I have learned so much from this site and it inspires my ART and Writing! LETS PUT THE DOO DOO THEORY INTO ACTION!! CAN YOU SMELL IT...(inside joke...Go to my blog)www(dot)thezeeree(dot)com Oh and Khatz you should add more hyper links to info and references for Folks! ALot of them I understand but that link gives me a fast refresher!! This is the driving factor behind my life now. AND due to it I have suffered but it is for a GREATER GOOD! I read recently being lazy pays off TODAY and “HARD WORK” pays off in the future! And due to people that set forth alternative methods of Learning l.e. KHATZ and many others Hard work is HARD FUN! The fun things get done. We all tend to differ on many points and contradict ourselves but I have also read that Certainty on anything leaves no ROOM for GROWTH or development! We have to always question our theories and ideas and develop them. I have learned so much from this site and it inspires my ART and Writing! LETS PUT THE DOO DOO THEORY INTO ACTION!! CAN YOU SMELL IT…(inside joke…Go to my blog)www(dot)thezeeree(dot)com
Oh and Khatz you should add more hyper links to info and references for Folks!
ALot of them I understand but that link gives me a fast refresher!!

]]> By: Radek http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-language-learners-prayer/comment-page-1#comment-28873 Radek Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:18:01 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=480#comment-28873 Man, calling somebody's a b**h and being thanked for it? Epic. But dude, that was low... Man, calling somebody’s a b**h and being thanked for it? Epic. But dude, that was low…

]]> By: GoddessMaverick http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-language-learners-prayer/comment-page-1#comment-28867 GoddessMaverick Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:06:11 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=480#comment-28867 Amen to that!!! I've been using this site for nearly a year and I have been getting such bull from my friends who keep thinking I'm some kind of Japanophile. Not that there's anything wrong with that... but people just can even appreciate the want to expand you horizons. I don't turn tricks for anybody!! SUCK IT WORLD!!!!! haha but seriously keep up the good work. Amen to that!!!
I’ve been using this site for nearly a year and I have been getting such bull from my friends who keep thinking I’m some kind of Japanophile. Not that there’s anything wrong with that… but people just can even appreciate the want to expand you horizons. I don’t turn tricks for anybody!! SUCK IT WORLD!!!!!

haha but seriously keep up the good work.

]]> By: NDN http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-language-learners-prayer/comment-page-1#comment-28850 NDN Sun, 29 Nov 2009 08:46:57 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=480#comment-28850 くそー、ナルトと同じような事いいやがって。でも、３９。　:) くそー、ナルトと同じような事いいやがって。でも、３９。　:)

]]> By: William http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-language-learners-prayer/comment-page-1#comment-28849 William Sun, 29 Nov 2009 08:34:42 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=480#comment-28849 Hey, Khatzumoto Wonderful, inspirational site you've here! I now devote at least 30 minutes daily going thru the archive. After reading the following post http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/more-on-how-to-watch-tv-and-movies-antimoon I've been looking for sites offering Japanese movie notes similar to those for English films in ESLnotes like: http://www.eslnotes.com/movies/html/the-graduate.html but wthout success. Would you happen to know of ay places with such resources? Please keep up the good work! William Hey, Khatzumoto

Wonderful, inspirational site you’ve here! I now devote at least 30 minutes daily going thru the archive.

After reading the following post
http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/more-on-how-to-watch-tv-and-movies-antimoon
I’ve been looking for sites offering Japanese movie notes similar to those for English films in ESLnotes like:
http://www.eslnotes.com/movies/html/the-graduate.html
but wthout success.

Would you happen to know of ay places with such resources?

Please keep up the good work!

William

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