Comments on: Surrogate Mother: The Proper, Correct And Only Way To Do Private Tutoring http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-real-way-to-use-a-private-tutor You don't learn a language, you get used to it. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 04:27:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: AJATT Best of 2011 | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-real-way-to-use-a-private-tutor#comment-180502 AJATT Best of 2011 | AJATT | All Japanese All The Time Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:59:53 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=474#comment-180502 [...] How To Enjoy Movies You Don’t Understand, Like A Kid “Observe. It’s like you’re an ethnographer, method actor and stalker-voyeur. All rolled into one. Linguist? Not so much, actually [...] [...] How To Enjoy Movies You Don’t Understand, Like A Kid “Observe. It’s like you’re an ethnographer, method actor and stalker-voyeur. All rolled into one. Linguist? Not so much, actually [...]

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]]> By: Alyson http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-real-way-to-use-a-private-tutor#comment-40323 Alyson Wed, 21 Apr 2010 01:31:06 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=474#comment-40323 This method definitely works! I used this while with a host family in Germany and picked up a lot more than my other classmates. Hmm... I always figured that my lack of vocabulary converted me to a six year old or that I just didn't have any shame... This method definitely works! I used this while with a host family in Germany and picked up a lot more than my other classmates. Hmm… I always figured that my lack of vocabulary converted me to a six year old or that I just didn’t have any shame…

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]]> By: The "Jason" http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-real-way-to-use-a-private-tutor#comment-30052 The "Jason" Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:29:57 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=474#comment-30052 Thanks so much for the blog post, I had no idea you would put so much time into my email... My butter-up campaign worked I guess... Its been a bit over a month since the blog post and I wanted to update a little bit... What you are recommending here is really great, it really is. Sincerely, thank you for taking the time to address my questions. But unfortunately, because this class is through a private academy (even though it is one on one), my teacher can't really take me into the real world beyond the class room, which really limits almost all you suggested, unfortunately. I have managed to make my class much more effective though. We switched textbooks, from a crappy overly-colorful piece of TP, to a speaking-centric book that is regarded as the best in Korea for learning to speak. As verbal communication is my priority, it seemed to fit best.... and it has worked out really well. I enjoy my classes more, my teacher is more confident in the material, and I'm more confident in the value of what I'm learning. Confidence all around. Side bar: One thing I really have noticed about my learning -- When I understand the material, I REALLY enjoy learning and I'm a really fun and enthusiastic student. But as soon as I run into something very difficult or confusing (my teacher can't explain everything as she doesn't speak english 100%, which is good because it keeps the class in Korean mode), I kind of "turn off" for a while, my momentum is killed. I think this means I need to pass through crappy parts more quickly and come back to them later so as not to kill my momentum while learning because I find momentum, especially in a 3 hour class, is really important. I also snagged a Korean girlfriend, so that is where I get a lot of these "mommy" type questions and real life usage benefits... but I'm trying a bit to separate the relationship a bit from the mommy analogy as my Oedipus complex needs no more fuel on the fire~^^ My skills are improving a lot, but I'm a little worried I'm going to hit a wall in 6 weeks when I stop the lessons ($$$)... That is when I'm really going to switch to your method much more religiously and amp up my sentence practice and media consumption. Anyway, things are great and I'm trucking along... thanks again. Will continue to be a dedicated reader (and learner and self-developer)... "Jason" Thanks so much for the blog post, I had no idea you would put so much time into my email… My butter-up campaign worked I guess…

Its been a bit over a month since the blog post and I wanted to update a little bit…

What you are recommending here is really great, it really is. Sincerely, thank you for taking the time to address my questions. But unfortunately, because this class is through a private academy (even though it is one on one), my teacher can’t really take me into the real world beyond the class room, which really limits almost all you suggested, unfortunately.

I have managed to make my class much more effective though. We switched textbooks, from a crappy overly-colorful piece of TP, to a speaking-centric book that is regarded as the best in Korea for learning to speak. As verbal communication is my priority, it seemed to fit best…. and it has worked out really well. I enjoy my classes more, my teacher is more confident in the material, and I’m more confident in the value of what I’m learning. Confidence all around.

Side bar:
One thing I really have noticed about my learning — When I understand the material, I REALLY enjoy learning and I’m a really fun and enthusiastic student. But as soon as I run into something very difficult or confusing (my teacher can’t explain everything as she doesn’t speak english 100%, which is good because it keeps the class in Korean mode), I kind of “turn off” for a while, my momentum is killed. I think this means I need to pass through crappy parts more quickly and come back to them later so as not to kill my momentum while learning because I find momentum, especially in a 3 hour class, is really important.

I also snagged a Korean girlfriend, so that is where I get a lot of these “mommy” type questions and real life usage benefits… but I’m trying a bit to separate the relationship a bit from the mommy analogy as my Oedipus complex needs no more fuel on the fire~^^

My skills are improving a lot, but I’m a little worried I’m going to hit a wall in 6 weeks when I stop the lessons ($$$)… That is when I’m really going to switch to your method much more religiously and amp up my sentence practice and media consumption.

Anyway, things are great and I’m trucking along… thanks again. Will continue to be a dedicated reader (and learner and self-developer)…

“Jason”

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]]> By: マッカ http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-real-way-to-use-a-private-tutor#comment-28847 マッカ Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:47:22 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=474#comment-28847 俺さ、４年間日本語の家庭教師で習った。結局、其の４年間は全く下らなかった。そして、やっと其の下らん授業は終るや否や、此のサイトを見つけて、凄く成ったよ。だからこそ、死ぬ迄俺は又家庭教師とか外国語の授業に絶対に行かない。って言うか、赦さない。俺の時間とかお金を全く無駄にした。 俺さ、４年間日本語の家庭教師で習った。結局、其の４年間は全く下らなかった。そして、やっと其の下らん授業は終るや否や、此のサイトを見つけて、凄く成ったよ。だからこそ、死ぬ迄俺は又家庭教師とか外国語の授業に絶対に行かない。って言うか、赦さない。俺の時間とかお金を全く無駄にした。

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]]> By: マッカ http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-real-way-to-use-a-private-tutor#comment-28845 マッカ Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:38:58 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=474#comment-28845 此れは凄い考えだな。流石勝本先生の變な考え方。 此れは凄い考えだな。流石勝本先生の變な考え方。

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]]> By: Jes http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-real-way-to-use-a-private-tutor#comment-28126 Jes Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:29:24 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=474#comment-28126 Wow, thank you for that kids yahoo page link Maya. I was looking for something just like that. Wow, thank you for that kids yahoo page link Maya. I was looking for something just like that.

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]]> By: Maya http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-real-way-to-use-a-private-tutor#comment-28055 Maya Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:10:43 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=474#comment-28055 I just got back from my first meeting with the Japanese girl I mentioned above. It was really amazing! In a number of ways: 1) It`s live speaking practice. 2) My friend helped me write down words I didn`t know, so now I have several pages of notes that I can put into Mnemosyne. 3) I got complimented a lot - it was probably done mostly out of politeness, but it was still extremely motivating. 4) I actually realized that my listening and speaking are both better than I had thought = even more motivation. There are prolly more benefits to this than I care to think of right now. I really recommend this type of thing to anyone who gets the chance to do it. =D Brilliant idea, khatz. I just got back from my first meeting with the Japanese girl I mentioned above.

It was really amazing! In a number of ways:

1) It`s live speaking practice.
2) My friend helped me write down words I didn`t know, so now I have several pages of notes that I can put into Mnemosyne.
3) I got complimented a lot – it was probably done mostly out of politeness, but it was still extremely motivating.
4) I actually realized that my listening and speaking are both better than I had thought = even more motivation.

There are prolly more benefits to this than I care to think of right now. I really recommend this type of thing to anyone who gets the chance to do it. =D Brilliant idea, khatz.

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]]> By: Maya http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-real-way-to-use-a-private-tutor#comment-27970 Maya Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:01:21 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=474#comment-27970 Speaking of re-creating childhood in another language, I just found this site and bookmarked it instantly: http://kids.yahoo.co.jp/ Yahoo Kids, Japanese version. It was everything, in simple words :D Can't praise it enough. Speaking of re-creating childhood in another language, I just found this site and bookmarked it instantly:

kids.yahoo.co.jp/

Yahoo Kids, Japanese version. It was everything, in simple words :D Can’t praise it enough.

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]]> By: Jes http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-real-way-to-use-a-private-tutor#comment-27932 Jes Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:27:30 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=474#comment-27932 素敵な記事ですよ。 I think there is more to said about being a good 'son'/'daughter' too. Because, if you match the state your in you'll be more successful growing from there. That state is childishness, being eager about what you do not know. I've found that by putting myself in a childlike mode I've turned a seemingly barren-of-Japanese-people life into one full of them. I'm learning Japanese after decades of anime watching with basically no language skill acquired. I didn't start with any Japanese people around. This part is redundant cause it's mentioned in the article already, but first thing is of course go to where the Japanese is and ninja/pirate (legally of course) what you can and keep it close to you. As for people... They are harder fish to catch...I thought. But I'm finding if I repeat what I hear; bring what I read or write show Japanese people they brighten up and just open up the floodgates. I make mistakes....I didn't know "お前たち” would be a bad thing to say to people I just met...(thank you years of anime watching...*grumble grumble*) but after I used it they politely told me , "that's bad" like kind polite parents. It's like everyone wants their own foreign kid to mentor; To share what they have an abundance of. Everyone wants that feeling. So, I go find them not really expecting anything, other than I might get to hear Japanese, and make the most of it. I've been ”ちょっとごめんね”'d few times. Cause the grown ups (people who are fluent) need to talk. It's all amusing to me so I play along, so to speak. But my results have been....well, lots of opportunities and people. 　And fun! So, to reiterate, be a kid. Eagerness is the signature as well as mindlessness. かわいいから何でも許させます。 Also, I've had the most fun being in groups of Japanese. I don't know that I learned a whole lot, but I certainly had quite a lot of fun every time. So, Jason as much as you're able recruit other Koreans during your class time and do stuff or just go to where more Koreans are being Korean. The only thing that's really at work here is Play. Since I really can't put a meter on my skill level after every event, I don't know how well I'm doing...but I know I'm doing well because I pick up a manga or watch a drama or hear a line in a song that suddenly I got...for the first time. (^.^) And this happens daily, now. Awe is made by people for kids. If you're gonna be a kid go for the 'aww's. 素敵な記事ですよ。

I think there is more to said about being a good ‘son’/'daughter’ too. Because, if you match the state your in you’ll be more successful growing from there.

That state is childishness, being eager about what you do not know.

I’ve found that by putting myself in a childlike mode I’ve turned a seemingly barren-of-Japanese-people life into one full of them. I’m learning Japanese after decades of anime watching with basically no language skill acquired. I didn’t start with any Japanese people around.

This part is redundant cause it’s mentioned in the article already, but first thing is of course go to where the Japanese is and ninja/pirate (legally of course) what you can and keep it close to you. As for people…

They are harder fish to catch…I thought. But I’m finding if I repeat what I hear; bring what I read or write show Japanese people they brighten up and just open up the floodgates. I make mistakes….I didn’t know “お前たち” would be a bad thing to say to people I just met…(thank you years of anime watching…*grumble grumble*) but after I used it they politely told me , “that’s bad” like kind polite parents. It’s like everyone wants their own foreign kid to mentor; To share what they have an abundance of. Everyone wants that feeling.

So, I go find them not really expecting anything, other than I might get to hear Japanese, and make the most of it.

I’ve been ”ちょっとごめんね”’d few times. Cause the grown ups (people who are fluent) need to talk. It’s all amusing to me so I play along, so to speak. But my results have been….well, lots of opportunities and people. 　And fun!

So, to reiterate, be a kid. Eagerness is the signature as well as mindlessness.
かわいいから何でも許させます。

Also, I’ve had the most fun being in groups of Japanese. I don’t know that I learned a whole lot, but I certainly had quite a lot of fun every time. So, Jason as much as you’re able recruit other Koreans during your class time and do stuff or just go to where more Koreans are being Korean.

The only thing that’s really at work here is Play. Since I really can’t put a meter on my skill level after every event, I don’t know how well I’m doing…but I know I’m doing well because I pick up a manga or watch a drama or hear a line in a song that suddenly I got…for the first time. (^.^) And this happens daily, now.

Awe is made by people for kids. If you’re gonna be a kid go for the ‘aww’s.

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]]> By: Miles http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-real-way-to-use-a-private-tutor#comment-27874 Miles Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:33:26 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=474#comment-27874 This post makes all kinds of good sense. Language student as ethnographer. Thanks Khatz. This post makes all kinds of good sense.
Language student as ethnographer.
Thanks Khatz.

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]]> By: captal http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-real-way-to-use-a-private-tutor#comment-27864 captal Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:45:26 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=474#comment-27864 I know you said she's cute, but whatever you do, don't make her your girlfriend. You'll learn far less having a girlfriend than you will a teacher/mother. Paying $10 an hour for lessons like that is great- and it puts the focus where it should be- on you learning Korean. If she becomes your girlfriend you save $60 a week, but you'll stop learning Korean near as fast. I speak from experience- I love my Japanese girlfriend to death, but she's done very little in the last year to teach me Japanese- she's great to speak with, awful to learn from. It's the same from her perspective too, I'm a sucky English teacher but good language partner. I know you said she’s cute, but whatever you do, don’t make her your girlfriend. You’ll learn far less having a girlfriend than you will a teacher/mother. Paying $10 an hour for lessons like that is great- and it puts the focus where it should be- on you learning Korean. If she becomes your girlfriend you save $60 a week, but you’ll stop learning Korean near as fast.

I speak from experience- I love my Japanese girlfriend to death, but she’s done very little in the last year to teach me Japanese- she’s great to speak with, awful to learn from. It’s the same from her perspective too, I’m a sucky English teacher but good language partner.

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]]> By: Tommy Newbhall http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-real-way-to-use-a-private-tutor#comment-27830 Tommy Newbhall Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:49:45 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=474#comment-27830 今日、丁度一年前、最初の文字をSRSに入力した。 お陰様で、一年間続いて来た。 もう一年を続けるように・・・・ トム 今日、丁度一年前、最初の文字をSRSに入力した。

お陰様で、一年間続いて来た。

もう一年を続けるように・・・・

トム

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]]> By: John K http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-real-way-to-use-a-private-tutor#comment-27822 John K Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:51:59 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=474#comment-27822 I think this is one of my favorite posts to date. FANTASTIC ideas within. どうもありがとうございます、Khatzumotoさん。 I think this is one of my favorite posts to date. FANTASTIC ideas within. どうもありがとうございます、Khatzumotoさん。

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]]> By: HiddenSincerity http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-real-way-to-use-a-private-tutor#comment-27817 HiddenSincerity Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:55:27 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=474#comment-27817 Speaking of mothers ... I think Khatz's worst nightmare just came true: http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%AE%E3%83%AB%E3%83%A2%E3%82%A2%E3%83%BB%E3%82%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB%E3%82%BA-%E3%80%88%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88%E3%83%BB%E3%82%B7%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BA%E3%83%B3%E3%80%89-DVD-%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AC%E3%83%B3%E3%83%BB%E3%82%B0%E3%83%AC%E3%82%A2%E3%83%A0/dp/B000Z0Z8N4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1257732366&sr=1-1 Speaking of mothers … I think Khatz’s worst nightmare just came true:

www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%AE%E3%83%AB%E3%83%A2%E3%82%A2%E3%83%BB%E3%82%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB%E3%82%BA-%E3%80%88%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88%E3%83%BB%E3%82%B7%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BA%E3%83%B3%E3%80%89-DVD-%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AC%E3%83%B3%E3%83%BB%E3%82%B0%E3%83%AC%E3%82%A2%E3%83%A0/dp/B000Z0Z8N4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1257732366&sr=1-1

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]]> By: Jaybot7 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-real-way-to-use-a-private-tutor#comment-27796 Jaybot7 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:49:23 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=474#comment-27796 @Shea I know *precisely* how you feel. In fact, I just had a fight with my girlfriend over the exact same thing a few hours ago (she won't even let me speak Japanese with her until it is Above her level of English) :) @Shea I know *precisely* how you feel. In fact, I just had a fight with my girlfriend over the exact same thing a few hours ago (she won’t even let me speak Japanese with her until it is Above her level of English) :)

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]]> By: Shea http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-real-way-to-use-a-private-tutor#comment-27783 Shea Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:26:37 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=474#comment-27783 This is why having a Japanese mate is not good for your language learning UNTIL you get good enough to converse comfortably. At least in my case. With my fiance (her English is MUCH better than my Japanese) it feels like a mother/son relationship when I try to use Japanese. That makes both of us feel weird. So I'm looking for other people to get better with (especially guys) and so when I can comfortably converse we can be an aid to each other. I do correct her mistakes when she wants me too but it isn't the leading someone by the hand method described here. I need a surrogate Japanese father/senpai basically haha. This is why having a Japanese mate is not good for your language learning UNTIL you get good enough to converse comfortably. At least in my case. With my fiance (her English is MUCH better than my Japanese) it feels like a mother/son relationship when I try to use Japanese. That makes both of us feel weird. So I’m looking for other people to get better with (especially guys) and so when I can comfortably converse we can be an aid to each other. I do correct her mistakes when she wants me too but it isn’t the leading someone by the hand method described here. I need a surrogate Japanese father/senpai basically haha.

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]]> By: Griff http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-real-way-to-use-a-private-tutor#comment-27778 Griff Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:39:17 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=474#comment-27778 Hey Khatz, Sounds like you have a breakthrough idea! Patten it! XD Hey Khatz,

Sounds like you have a breakthrough idea! Patten it! XD

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]]> By: Jonathan Mahoney http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-real-way-to-use-a-private-tutor#comment-27776 Jonathan Mahoney Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:32:23 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=474#comment-27776 Wow, brilliant post. Great idea. "Jason"s got a huge advantage being in the country of the native speakers of his L2. Go outside! Haha. I hope I can apply this idea soon. Wow, brilliant post. Great idea. “Jason”s got a huge advantage being in the country of the native speakers of his L2. Go outside! Haha. I hope I can apply this idea soon.

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]]> By: Jaybot7 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-real-way-to-use-a-private-tutor#comment-27771 Jaybot7 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:38:28 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=474#comment-27771 Great post. I'm actually going to pay money for some 'private' lessons this week simply because I have run out of native Japanese people to talk with on a daily basis (since I'm currently not *in* Japan, and there are surprisingly few Japanese in the desert of Arizona). I find that I learn so much more just by listening and asking questions, farking up my response, searching for the right word, missing and then recovering, than any other type of speaking practice. I make sure the teacher/mother/friend/surrogate I'm speaking with knows before even starting ;) Great post. I’m actually going to pay money for some ‘private’ lessons this week simply because I have run out of native Japanese people to talk with on a daily basis (since I’m currently not *in* Japan, and there are surprisingly few Japanese in the desert of Arizona).

I find that I learn so much more just by listening and asking questions, farking up my response, searching for the right word, missing and then recovering, than any other type of speaking practice. I make sure the teacher/mother/friend/surrogate I’m speaking with knows before even starting ;)

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]]> By: アメド http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/the-real-way-to-use-a-private-tutor#comment-27765 アメド Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:59:08 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=474#comment-27765 This is very true. The environment of the language you're trying to learn is key to success in the language. How the react daily to one another, email,via phone, via people, via how they right, via how they live. All these things add up. But for me i doubt that can be possible lol. I'm in second year and probably be studying for abit longer. I know a only 2 japanese people. One i know from highschool and is the same age as me, but he doesn't like to use japanese alot lol and the other she went back to japan but i got a few chances to talk about japanese,etc,etc. But if i guess if you can't really live in a fully japanese enivorment i.e. food,people,living japanese,etc,etc. Create you're own enivorment!!! That's what i'm trying to do and good so far. So far 2400 sentences. This is very true. The environment of the language you’re trying to learn is key to success in the language. How the react daily to one another, email,via phone, via people, via how they right, via how they live. All these things add up. But for me i doubt that can be possible lol. I’m in second year and probably be studying for abit longer. I know a only 2 japanese people. One i know from highschool and is the same age as me, but he doesn’t like to use japanese alot lol and the other she went back to japan but i got a few chances to talk about japanese,etc,etc. But if i guess if you can’t really live in a fully japanese enivorment i.e. food,people,living japanese,etc,etc. Create you’re own enivorment!!! That’s what i’m trying to do and good so far. So far 2400 sentences.

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