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	<title>Comments on: Top 10 Reasons Why Expats Who Live In Japan Don&#8217;t Know Japanese</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: My 外人 reconsideration, or what I think of being a foreigner in Japan so far. &#171; leaves no footprints</title>
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		<dc:creator>My 外人 reconsideration, or what I think of being a foreigner in Japan so far. &#171; leaves no footprints</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] want to be a second-class novelty any longer than I have to.  To be fair, so many people have said this before so I will summarize - how in the world could I expect to thrive in Japan without becoming [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] want to be a second-class novelty any longer than I have to.  To be fair, so many people have said this before so I will summarize - how in the world could I expect to thrive in Japan without becoming [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Smilax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smilax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you mean "monbukagakushou" instead of "monbugakusho".
文部科学省... right? @_@</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you mean &#8220;monbukagakushou&#8221; instead of &#8220;monbugakusho&#8221;.<br />
文部科学省&#8230; right? @_@</p>
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		<title>By: Pandi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, I love this. =D
I agree with 8 and 10. I remember seeing those commercials with that stuff; you can't get far with only 10 minutes a day. You would lose all that information during the day, and would have to spend another 10 minutes the next day on that same material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, I love this. =D<br />
I agree with 8 and 10. I remember seeing those commercials with that stuff; you can&#8217;t get far with only 10 minutes a day. You would lose all that information during the day, and would have to spend another 10 minutes the next day on that same material.</p>
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		<title>By: khatzumoto</title>
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		<dc:creator>khatzumoto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I’m wondering if it would be good to talk to them in Japanese
It would, if and only iff you have them CORRECT you mercilessly. Tell them, the smallest mistake, awkward pronunciation must be pointed out, even (if they're cruel people) ridiculed mercilessly. And if you find yourself making too many mistakes, then an input-heavy silent period may be in order. I had to take one of those at one point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>I’m wondering if it would be good to talk to them in Japanese<br />
It would, if and only iff you have them CORRECT you mercilessly. Tell them, the smallest mistake, awkward pronunciation must be pointed out, even (if they&#8217;re cruel people) ridiculed mercilessly. And if you find yourself making too many mistakes, then an input-heavy silent period may be in order. I had to take one of those at one point.</p>
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		<title>By: Chelsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chelsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Khatz,
I have a Japanese roommate and two Japanese conversation partners (none of whom I speak to in Japanese intensively).  I'm not that advanced in my speaking, hence the reason we don't speak in Japanese that often. I'm wondering if it would be good to talk to them in Japanese or if it would damage my skills...I've been studying for 4 years, but am just now getting "good" at speaking....

PS:  I like your site.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Khatz,<br />
I have a Japanese roommate and two Japanese conversation partners (none of whom I speak to in Japanese intensively).  I&#8217;m not that advanced in my speaking, hence the reason we don&#8217;t speak in Japanese that often. I&#8217;m wondering if it would be good to talk to them in Japanese or if it would damage my skills&#8230;I&#8217;ve been studying for 4 years, but am just now getting &#8220;good&#8221; at speaking&#8230;.</p>
<p>PS:  I like your site.  <img src='http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: All Japanese All The Time Dot Com: How to Learn Japanese. On your own, having fun and to fluency &#187; One Kanji Poster to Rule them All, One Kanji Poster to Bind Them, One Kanji Poster to View them All, and into the Mind Grind Them</title>
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		<dc:creator>All Japanese All The Time Dot Com: How to Learn Japanese. On your own, having fun and to fluency &#187; One Kanji Poster to Rule them All, One Kanji Poster to Bind Them, One Kanji Poster to View them All, and into the Mind Grind Them</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] first such product I have come across. Most kanji posters come in either phonetic order or, worse, scholastic order, and generally only have relatively few characters on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] first such product I have come across. Most kanji posters come in either phonetic order or, worse, scholastic order, and generally only have relatively few characters on [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: khatzumoto</title>
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		<dc:creator>khatzumoto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 02:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like you answered your own question. If you have your own method and it works...then I'd say keep using it :) .

I applied the Heisig method to www.zhongwen.com, so I had to made up a lot of my own keyword names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like you answered your own question. If you have your own method and it works&#8230;then I&#8217;d say keep using it <img src='http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>I applied the Heisig method to <a href="http://www.zhongwen.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.zhongwen.com</a>, so I had to made up a lot of my own keyword names.</p>
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		<title>By: Haf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About No. 5, learning the Kanji, I was wondering if there is any other order apart from the village idiot order and the Heisig method in which to learn the kanji best. Is there any material online?

I currently use the village idiot order, as all of my learning material use it. Blargh
But I don't want to use the Heisig method, since I developed my own method to recognize components and memorize them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About No. 5, learning the Kanji, I was wondering if there is any other order apart from the village idiot order and the Heisig method in which to learn the kanji best. Is there any material online?</p>
<p>I currently use the village idiot order, as all of my learning material use it. Blargh<br />
But I don&#8217;t want to use the Heisig method, since I developed my own method to recognize components and memorize them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, you're absolutey right about this.

"1. Bad Company"

This one was interesting - I read recently on the BBC website (quoting an American scientific study) that researchers have recently concluded in that study that by far the most important reason that otherwise very talented/intelligent people do not fulfill their potential is the influence of (a less talented/intelligent/ambitious) peer group. Sadly, in spite of a bit of a dig on the BBC webiste (news.bbc.co.uk), I can't find the story now, but interesting nonetheless.

So, lesson to us all - don't hang out with losers - that's people who want to endlessly debate the pros and cons of the various bl**dy useless conventional methods of learning Japanese in this case...

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, you&#8217;re absolutey right about this.</p>
<p>&#8220;1. Bad Company&#8221;</p>
<p>This one was interesting - I read recently on the BBC website (quoting an American scientific study) that researchers have recently concluded in that study that by far the most important reason that otherwise very talented/intelligent people do not fulfill their potential is the influence of (a less talented/intelligent/ambitious) peer group. Sadly, in spite of a bit of a dig on the BBC webiste (news.bbc.co.uk), I can&#8217;t find the story now, but interesting nonetheless.</p>
<p>So, lesson to us all - don&#8217;t hang out with losers - that&#8217;s people who want to endlessly debate the pros and cons of the various bl**dy useless conventional methods of learning Japanese in this case&#8230;</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Brittany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brittany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"And anything you really can’t do (like go to government offices), your bilingual Japanese girlfriend can help you with." Haha, this I love :D

My boyfriend's dad has been living in Japan for the last 15 years or so and barely speaks a lick of Japanese, but he's married to a Japanese woman so he doesn't have very many problems. He's totally fluent at ordering beer, though, as that's the one thing his wife won't do for him</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And anything you really can’t do (like go to government offices), your bilingual Japanese girlfriend can help you with.&#8221; Haha, this I love <img src='http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My boyfriend&#8217;s dad has been living in Japan for the last 15 years or so and barely speaks a lick of Japanese, but he&#8217;s married to a Japanese woman so he doesn&#8217;t have very many problems. He&#8217;s totally fluent at ordering beer, though, as that&#8217;s the one thing his wife won&#8217;t do for him</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Khatz

I especially sympathise with point 4 - my girlfriend is Japanese and, although I wouldn't say she is condescending, she certainly feels there is a limit to what I can learn in Japanese and also the time period. 

She tells me that it is very unlikely that I will be able to speak until AT LEAST  5 YEARS! What?! 

It is not nice, but I guess the solution is just to ignore this (albeit unintentional) negativity! 

It is also very funny to hear the constant negativity directed towards Heisig from a native speaker - I mean it took her YEARS to learn kanji and she is still very down on this method - I suppose it is too unconvetional "you don't need to learn that character...blah..blah....."

Anyway, this just makes me want to try even harder as now I have even more of a point to prove and, like you say, at least I'm moving towards my goal rather than just sitting around thinking about it. 

Anyway, thanks for the ongoing inspiration.

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Khatz</p>
<p>I especially sympathise with point 4 - my girlfriend is Japanese and, although I wouldn&#8217;t say she is condescending, she certainly feels there is a limit to what I can learn in Japanese and also the time period. </p>
<p>She tells me that it is very unlikely that I will be able to speak until AT LEAST  5 YEARS! What?! </p>
<p>It is not nice, but I guess the solution is just to ignore this (albeit unintentional) negativity! </p>
<p>It is also very funny to hear the constant negativity directed towards Heisig from a native speaker - I mean it took her YEARS to learn kanji and she is still very down on this method - I suppose it is too unconvetional &#8220;you don&#8217;t need to learn that character&#8230;blah..blah&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyway, this just makes me want to try even harder as now I have even more of a point to prove and, like you say, at least I&#8217;m moving towards my goal rather than just sitting around thinking about it. </p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for the ongoing inspiration.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Must. Motivate. Self. Finish. Heisig. Before. 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Must. Motivate. Self. Finish. Heisig. Before. 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Chiro-kun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chiro-kun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 14:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe nice post! Bad Company...yeah I have that a lot lol (not only for Japanese). If you were in India (in grade 11th-12th) you would see that there was a mad rush for IIT (Indian Institute for Technology) sorta like the Toudai craze I guess. And yeah, there are coaching institutes and parents constantly telling you that it's difficult, impossible or "aim for IIT and you'll get something lower". Thanks to this wonderful blog, I've managed to get past that bull and integrate my studies with my Japanese (up to 1200 kanji, yay!). Anyways, enough ranting....gotta do more kanji!! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe nice post! Bad Company&#8230;yeah I have that a lot lol (not only for Japanese). If you were in India (in grade 11th-12th) you would see that there was a mad rush for IIT (Indian Institute for Technology) sorta like the Toudai craze I guess. And yeah, there are coaching institutes and parents constantly telling you that it&#8217;s difficult, impossible or &#8220;aim for IIT and you&#8217;ll get something lower&#8221;. Thanks to this wonderful blog, I&#8217;ve managed to get past that bull and integrate my studies with my Japanese (up to 1200 kanji, yay!). Anyways, enough ranting&#8230;.gotta do more kanji!! <img src='http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Yousef</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yousef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 10:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long time reader, first time poster. ^^

This is a great post (as usual). Of course this is primarily a language learning blog, but I like your posts about the cultural stuff as well. It's nice to read about Japan from the viewpoint of someone who actually made an effort to integrate and learn the language, not just from arrogant, I-wish-I-were-back-home English teachers (no offense to any English teachers reading this, I'm one myself!) or anthropologists who have to make  whacked out theories about the country to impress their academic peers and sell a few books.

I think number 1 (as well as 4 and 5) is the reason why the myth of going to a country to learn the language is...well...a myth. My biggest regret is not properly studying Korean before coming to Korea. 

And number 2....man....I don't know how people are OK with living like that. When I had to rely on my friends for the simplest tasks, it was painfully humiliating. 

ah, sorry this message is running a bit long. Just wanted to say I hope to see more of these culture posts along with the language learning stuff. It's good to have that little cultural "touch" to make your language very fluent, and hard to find good ways of achieving that touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long time reader, first time poster. ^^</p>
<p>This is a great post (as usual). Of course this is primarily a language learning blog, but I like your posts about the cultural stuff as well. It&#8217;s nice to read about Japan from the viewpoint of someone who actually made an effort to integrate and learn the language, not just from arrogant, I-wish-I-were-back-home English teachers (no offense to any English teachers reading this, I&#8217;m one myself!) or anthropologists who have to make  whacked out theories about the country to impress their academic peers and sell a few books.</p>
<p>I think number 1 (as well as 4 and 5) is the reason why the myth of going to a country to learn the language is&#8230;well&#8230;a myth. My biggest regret is not properly studying Korean before coming to Korea. </p>
<p>And number 2&#8230;.man&#8230;.I don&#8217;t know how people are OK with living like that. When I had to rely on my friends for the simplest tasks, it was painfully humiliating. </p>
<p>ah, sorry this message is running a bit long. Just wanted to say I hope to see more of these culture posts along with the language learning stuff. It&#8217;s good to have that little cultural &#8220;touch&#8221; to make your language very fluent, and hard to find good ways of achieving that touch.</p>
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