Comments on: SRS and Kanji Study: What Is An SRS? 2 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-an-srs-2 How to learn Japanese. On your own, having fun and to fluency. Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:32:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Walid http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-an-srs-2/comment-page-1#comment-25178 Walid Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:09:10 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=242#comment-25178 Hello Khatzumoto! Well before everything, a HUGE thank you is the least I can say, especially if you know that I tried billions of sites or/and techniques to learn japanese, and linguistic immersion happens to be the most simple, yet, the most effective. I don't really know if you have already been asked this question, nor if there is an answer for it somewhere in the site. But when it comes to learning kanji, which of those orders would be the best to follow: Learning kanji by key, or strarting from the most simple to the most complicated, or starting from the most used words, or learning the kanji of every new word I learned? The last would probably be the best, but your confirmation is always welcome! P.S: I actually randomly learn them, which means: I learn the easiest from the new words I learn. Hello Khatzumoto!

Well before everything, a HUGE thank you is the least I can say, especially if you know that I tried billions of sites or/and techniques to learn japanese, and linguistic immersion happens to be the most simple, yet, the most effective. I don’t really know if you have already been asked this question, nor if there is an answer for it somewhere in the site. But when it comes to learning kanji, which of those orders would be the best to follow:
Learning kanji by key, or strarting from the most simple to the most complicated, or starting from the most used words, or learning the kanji of every new word I learned? The last would probably be the best, but your confirmation is always welcome!
P.S: I actually randomly learn them, which means: I learn the easiest from the new words I learn.

]]> By: Jim http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-an-srs-2/comment-page-1#comment-24028 Jim Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:29:08 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=242#comment-24028 Thanks for this post, Khatzumoto. I hope I can learn faster and better using your advice and also others'. This blog has inspired many people including me. I love how what you say about SRS. It's so efficient to learn Japanese in SRS system. You don't have to type or go into this website again and again. Thanks again. :) Thanks for this post, Khatzumoto.
I hope I can learn faster and better using your advice and also others’.
This blog has inspired many people including me.
I love how what you say about SRS.
It’s so efficient to learn Japanese in SRS system. You don’t have to type or go into this website again and again.

Thanks again. :)

]]> By: Rae http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-an-srs-2/comment-page-1#comment-16269 Rae Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:21:39 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=242#comment-16269 Oh my goodness! I've been searching forever for a system like this! I just didn't know what it was called. Thank you so much!! Now I can stay more on top of my studies... Oh my goodness! I’ve been searching forever for a system like this! I just didn’t know what it was called. Thank you so much!! Now I can stay more on top of my studies…

]]> By: Lorenzo http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-an-srs-2/comment-page-1#comment-11013 Lorenzo Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:16:18 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=242#comment-11013 Hey Khatzumoto, Thanks a lot for this site, I've discovered it a few days ago, and although I'm studying Chinese (Mandarin), it's really helpful, with a few changes here and there because of the differences between Japanese/Chinese of course. Although I know you've said a few times that it doesn't matter which SRS you use, as long as you use one, I am still wondering if you could write how Khatzumemo compares to Anki (and Mnemosyne). I was first using Mnemosyne, but now I also want to use SRS on other PCs and on my phone, so I was searching for an alternative, which brought me to Anki. Which looks really cool and all with the nice interface and all extra options.. but many extra options always make me wonder if it's making up for something if you know what I mean. I like simple things. So maybe KhatzuMemo is the good middle way to go? I saw in one of the articles that you've started using Anki to study Cantonese because you can use audio files, have you totally switched to Anki? or are you using it next to KhatzuMemo? Maybe some pros and cons between Anki/KhatzuMemo would be nice to read. Thanks a alot for your time :) Lorenzo. Hey Khatzumoto,

Thanks a lot for this site, I’ve discovered it a few days ago, and although I’m studying Chinese (Mandarin), it’s really helpful, with a few changes here and there because of the differences between Japanese/Chinese of course.

Although I know you’ve said a few times that it doesn’t matter which SRS you use, as long as you use one, I am still wondering if you could write how Khatzumemo compares to Anki (and Mnemosyne).

I was first using Mnemosyne, but now I also want to use SRS on other PCs and on my phone, so I was searching for an alternative, which brought me to Anki.
Which looks really cool and all with the nice interface and all extra options.. but many extra options always make me wonder if it’s making up for something if you know what I mean. I like simple things. So maybe KhatzuMemo is the good middle way to go?

I saw in one of the articles that you’ve started using Anki to study Cantonese because you can use audio files, have you totally switched to Anki? or are you using it next to KhatzuMemo?
Maybe some pros and cons between Anki/KhatzuMemo would be nice to read.

Thanks a alot for your time :)

Lorenzo.

]]> By: Top Thai Language Learning Resources http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-an-srs-2/comment-page-1#comment-10071 Top Thai Language Learning Resources Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:29:13 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=242#comment-10071 [...] What is an SRS? 2 Khatzumoto goes into more SRS detail. [...] [...] What is an SRS? 2 Khatzumoto goes into more SRS detail. [...]

]]> By: ~ http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-an-srs-2/comment-page-1#comment-10031 ~ Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:23:34 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=242#comment-10031 Haha, I used to hate writing out characters over and over again, which was what I was encouraged to do during Chinese school. I still do, at least when it's doing the same character 320948230594242395 times in one sitting/day/week. But when I started learning Chinese again (note that these are traditional characters since my mom is from Taiwan... she always says that "simplified chinese is not real Chinese!") I started to actually like practicing writing them. What I used to do was just learn to recognize them, maybe write it a few times for my memory. Now when I learn a new character, I get out the good old writing sheets and repeat it throughout the day until I'm satisfied with my handwriting. Just so I don't forget it, I then write that character out on every whiteboard in the house every week or so. I just love showing off mah skillz, yeah? :P But I definitely agree with not getting a cramp from writing the same character for like... hours... and then expect to have it in your memory. Haha, I used to hate writing out characters over and over again, which was what I was encouraged to do during Chinese school. I still do, at least when it’s doing the same character 320948230594242395 times in one sitting/day/week. But when I started learning Chinese again (note that these are traditional characters since my mom is from Taiwan… she always says that “simplified chinese is not real Chinese!”) I started to actually like practicing writing them. What I used to do was just learn to recognize them, maybe write it a few times for my memory. Now when I learn a new character, I get out the good old writing sheets and repeat it throughout the day until I’m satisfied with my handwriting. Just so I don’t forget it, I then write that character out on every whiteboard in the house every week or so. I just love showing off mah skillz, yeah? :P But I definitely agree with not getting a cramp from writing the same character for like… hours… and then expect to have it in your memory.

]]> By: Searching for a Thai Language Learning Style http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-an-srs-2/comment-page-1#comment-9982 Searching for a Thai Language Learning Style Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:58:22 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=242#comment-9982 [...] What is an SRS? 2 [...] [...] What is an SRS? 2 [...]

]]> By: khatzumoto http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-an-srs-2/comment-page-1#comment-8946 khatzumoto Mon, 26 May 2008 13:56:43 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=242#comment-8946 @Ramses I had them all in one DB. @Ramses
I had them all in one DB.

]]> By: sarius24 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-an-srs-2/comment-page-1#comment-8907 sarius24 Sat, 24 May 2008 13:05:01 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=242#comment-8907 Lets get some audio or video now Ù_Ú plz XD Lets get some audio or video now Ù_Ú plz XD

]]> By: All Japanese All The Time Dot Com » What is an SRS? http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-an-srs-2/comment-page-1#comment-8886 All Japanese All The Time Dot Com » What is an SRS? Wed, 21 May 2008 01:52:48 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=242#comment-8886 [...] more on SRS and kanji study, check here and [...] [...] more on SRS and kanji study, check here and [...]

]]> By: Saleem http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-an-srs-2/comment-page-1#comment-8882 Saleem Tue, 20 May 2008 14:44:07 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=242#comment-8882 Hey Khatz: Repetition (though not SRS's) gets a nice shoutout here: http://brainrules.net/ (in the memory section, where he has some proposals about improving schools as well). Hey Khatz: Repetition (though not SRS’s) gets a nice shoutout here: http://brainrules.net/ (in the memory section, where he has some proposals about improving schools as well).

]]> By: Ramses http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-an-srs-2/comment-page-1#comment-8881 Ramses Tue, 20 May 2008 13:01:11 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=242#comment-8881 A quick question, Khatz: Somewhere you wrote that after 1000 sentences or so you should switch over to Japanese-Japanese sentences. My question is: did you put these sentences in the Japanese-English database or did you make a new one? A quick question, Khatz:
Somewhere you wrote that after 1000 sentences or so you should switch over to Japanese-Japanese sentences. My question is: did you put these sentences in the Japanese-English database or did you make a new one?

]]> By: Drew http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-an-srs-2/comment-page-1#comment-8876 Drew Tue, 20 May 2008 04:55:10 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=242#comment-8876 Great post Khatz! I started with my Kanji studies about 2 weeks ago, and have used Anki to memorize all of my Kanji thus far. I am a little confused as to if I am doing it correctly although, I've been using Heisig's "Remembering the kanji" as my source of learning the Kanji, but so far i can only associate the Kanji with the english word and was wondering if I should be learning the japanese verbal equivalent as well. Anyways, I am very grateful to this blog, it has inspiried and help guide me to start my Japanese learning, Keep it coming! Great post Khatz!
I started with my Kanji studies about 2 weeks ago, and have used Anki to memorize all of my Kanji thus far. I am a little confused as to if I am doing it correctly although, I’ve been using Heisig’s “Remembering the kanji” as my source of learning the Kanji, but so far i can only associate the Kanji with the english word and was wondering if I should be learning the japanese verbal equivalent as well.

Anyways, I am very grateful to this blog, it has inspiried and help guide me to start my Japanese learning, Keep it coming!

]]> By: sarius24 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-an-srs-2/comment-page-1#comment-8873 sarius24 Mon, 19 May 2008 18:02:18 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=242#comment-8873 Somtimes I just want to get on top of a soap box and tell people in my school in Québec on how they shuld be using an srs to improve their french. Basicly most kids suck at it especially in english schools. Somtimes I just want to get on top of a soap box and tell people in my school in Québec on how they shuld be using an srs to improve their french. Basicly most kids suck at it especially in english schools.

]]> By: Frances Xavier http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-an-srs-2/comment-page-1#comment-8870 Frances Xavier Mon, 19 May 2008 16:14:45 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=242#comment-8870 “6 days, and 6 months and 6 years” This blog... it is heresy! “6 days, and 6 months and 6 years”

This blog… it is heresy!

]]> By: Jadpan http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-an-srs-2/comment-page-1#comment-8869 Jadpan Mon, 19 May 2008 14:18:48 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=242#comment-8869 Have recently been trying to explain the usefulness of an SRS to some fellow Japanese learners. This post was very succinct and clear. Well done. Now I can just send them directly to this post. Thank you. Have recently been trying to explain the usefulness of an SRS to some fellow Japanese learners. This post was very succinct and clear. Well done. Now I can just send them directly to this post. Thank you.

]]> By: Chiro-kun http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-an-srs-2/comment-page-1#comment-8862 Chiro-kun Mon, 19 May 2008 00:00:14 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=242#comment-8862 Is it just me or does an SRS work better for 単語 over sentences? :O Is it just me or does an SRS work better for 単語 over sentences? :O

]]> By: mzmz http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-an-srs-2/comment-page-1#comment-8860 mzmz Sun, 18 May 2008 14:56:12 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=242#comment-8860 So far my favorite srs is the khatzumemo (which I've found here) because it has a very basic and clear interface and is accessible from pretty much anything. ;) Only three things were bothering me about khatzumemo up until now: * delays - even if I press 5 immediately I still need to wait a few seconds for the next question to load (and after going through hundreds of reps it gets a little bit annoying). Maybe if the user could specify if that page between questions (with stats etc) should appear or not would possibly speed things up a little bit? Or an AJAX interface? * exporting the data - it would be nice if "view all items" had that info we can see between questions (lapses, easiness, interval, added, etc) which would make it easier to rip the data if one has to later. You said you plan implementing an export feature so I don't worry that one so much now. ;) * even when learning Japanese-related info there are different categories one may want to divide the questions into. Like kanji, sentences, trivia etc. Not to mention other laguages. It would be really cool if questions had categories or "tags" like on youtube. Many of us are trying to program our own srs (based on the sm2 algorithm) for fun so if you could write a short article about srs-coding pitfalls and some tips on how to do it properly we would really appreciate it. That's all, sorry about the long wish list. All the best. ;) So far my favorite srs is the khatzumemo (which I’ve found here) because it has a very basic and clear interface and is accessible from pretty much anything. ;)

Only three things were bothering me about khatzumemo up until now:

* delays – even if I press 5 immediately I still need to wait a few seconds for the next question to load (and after going through hundreds of reps it gets a little bit annoying). Maybe if the user could specify if that page between questions (with stats etc) should appear or not would possibly speed things up a little bit? Or an AJAX interface?

* exporting the data – it would be nice if “view all items” had that info we can see between questions (lapses, easiness, interval, added, etc) which would make it easier to rip the data if one has to later. You said you plan implementing an export feature so I don’t worry that one so much now. ;)

* even when learning Japanese-related info there are different categories one may want to divide the questions into. Like kanji, sentences, trivia etc. Not to mention other laguages. It would be really cool if questions had categories or “tags” like on youtube.

Many of us are trying to program our own srs (based on the sm2 algorithm) for fun so if you could write a short article about srs-coding pitfalls and some tips on how to do it properly we would really appreciate it.

That’s all, sorry about the long wish list. All the best. ;)

]]> By: Savara http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-an-srs-2/comment-page-1#comment-8858 Savara Sun, 18 May 2008 11:43:19 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=242#comment-8858 Just yesterday I told a language teacher (greek and latin) about the whole SRS thing. He said "I knew about word-practicing software, but I've never heard of something like that!" and he was amazed... I really hope he'll try it out, and maybe recommend it to his students. It's just so difficult to understand that it isn't more widely used, because it works so well. Just yesterday I told a language teacher (greek and latin) about the whole SRS thing. He said “I knew about word-practicing software, but I’ve never heard of something like that!” and he was amazed… I really hope he’ll try it out, and maybe recommend it to his students.

It’s just so difficult to understand that it isn’t more widely used, because it works so well.

]]> By: Chris http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-is-an-srs-2/comment-page-1#comment-8857 Chris Sun, 18 May 2008 09:22:54 +0000 http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/?p=242#comment-8857 "Shut up and listen"...? “Shut up and listen”…?

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