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	<title>Comments on: What It Takes To Be Great 2: AJATT and Malcolm McDowell&#8217;s Outliers&#8230;wait&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/what-it-takes-to-be-great-2-ajatt-and-malcolm-mcdowells-outlierswait/comment-page-1#comment-20534</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 23:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thought you&#039;d like to know, the Japanese translation&#039;s available! It&#039;s called 天才! 成功する人々の法則

http://tinyurl.com/mazqy7

I saw it in a bookstore today and shouted &quot;I&#039;VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!&quot; :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought you&#8217;d like to know, the Japanese translation&#8217;s available! It&#8217;s called 天才! 成功する人々の法則</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/mazqy7" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/mazqy7</a></p>
<p>I saw it in a bookstore today and shouted &#8220;I&#8217;VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!&#8221; :/</p>
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		<title>By: reineke</title>
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		<dc:creator>reineke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey

The 10,000 hour business. As far as Japanese, Mandarin, Arabic and Korean are concerned 10,000 hours looks about right.

The FSI students need around 4000 hours to reach level 3 (self-study hours included). Levels 4 and 5 are uncharted territory - no course will take you that far and from what I was able to read about it, these levels require exponentially more study time. It is possible to conclude and guesstimate from this information that in order to reach level 4+ (native-like) most students will indeed need around 10,000 study hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey</p>
<p>The 10,000 hour business. As far as Japanese, Mandarin, Arabic and Korean are concerned 10,000 hours looks about right.</p>
<p>The FSI students need around 4000 hours to reach level 3 (self-study hours included). Levels 4 and 5 are uncharted territory &#8211; no course will take you that far and from what I was able to read about it, these levels require exponentially more study time. It is possible to conclude and guesstimate from this information that in order to reach level 4+ (native-like) most students will indeed need around 10,000 study hours.</p>
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		<title>By: Serik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, amazing article, after listening to some now habit audio, you kinda gave me wings!!! Thank you for your existnig!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, amazing article, after listening to some now habit audio, you kinda gave me wings!!! Thank you for your existnig!!!</p>
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		<title>By: All Japanese All The Time Dot Com: How to learn Japanese. On your own, having fun and to fluency. &#187; Automated Discipline: How To Keep New Years&#8217; Resolutions and Stay On Track All The Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>All Japanese All The Time Dot Com: How to learn Japanese. On your own, having fun and to fluency. &#187; Automated Discipline: How To Keep New Years&#8217; Resolutions and Stay On Track All The Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In fact, the whole 10,000+ hours business indicates that these are in a sense one and the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: quendidil</title>
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		<dc:creator>quendidil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malcolm McDowell also sang Singin&#039; in the Rain while knocking an old man about and stripping his wife in A Clockwork Orange.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malcolm McDowell also sang Singin&#8217; in the Rain while knocking an old man about and stripping his wife in A Clockwork Orange.</p>
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		<title>By: All Japanese All The Time Dot Com: How to learn Japanese. On your own, having fun and to fluency. &#187; What It Takes to Be Great 4: Capablanca</title>
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		<dc:creator>All Japanese All The Time Dot Com: How to learn Japanese. On your own, having fun and to fluency. &#187; What It Takes to Be Great 4: Capablanca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in response to this post, I received the following email from a very handsome reader named santayana. working hard in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: All Japanese All The Time Dot Com: How to learn Japanese. On your own, having fun and to fluency. &#187; What It Takes to Be Great 3: Follow-Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>All Japanese All The Time Dot Com: How to learn Japanese. On your own, having fun and to fluency. &#187; What It Takes to Be Great 3: Follow-Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Remember that last rambling train wreck of a post [you think you can make fun of me better than me? huh? BRING IT!]? There was a comment made on it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, thanks for the link, that&#039;s a pretty useful one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, thanks for the link, that&#8217;s a pretty useful one.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another very helpful site:

http://language.tiu.ac.jp/

Copy and paste any Japanese into this, click the 日-&gt;日　button, and it breaks down each word with a J-J definition on the right hand side with the English also under it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another very helpful site:</p>
<p><a href="http://language.tiu.ac.jp/" rel="nofollow">http://language.tiu.ac.jp/</a></p>
<p>Copy and paste any Japanese into this, click the 日-&gt;日　button, and it breaks down each word with a J-J definition on the right hand side with the English also under it.</p>
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		<title>By: beneficii</title>
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		<dc:creator>beneficii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He makes an interesting statement in the 11th footnote though:

&quot;I have noticed from time to time that the romanization method first used tends to influence one&#039;s accent in Chinese. It seems to me a Chinese person with a very keen ear could distinguish Americans speaking, say, Wade-Giles-accented Chinese from pinyin-accented Chinese.&quot;

This I think is why extensive listening practice, before you even attempt to read the language, is an important part of developing a good accent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He makes an interesting statement in the 11th footnote though:</p>
<p>&#8220;I have noticed from time to time that the romanization method first used tends to influence one&#8217;s accent in Chinese. It seems to me a Chinese person with a very keen ear could distinguish Americans speaking, say, Wade-Giles-accented Chinese from pinyin-accented Chinese.&#8221;</p>
<p>This I think is why extensive listening practice, before you even attempt to read the language, is an important part of developing a good accent.</p>
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		<title>By: HiddenSincerity</title>
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		<dc:creator>HiddenSincerity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Maya

Throughout the whole article I kept going &quot;No, wait ... he&#039;s gonna say he&#039;s joking .... now....ok,now.....omg I think he may actually be serious...&quot; And then slaming my head onto my keyboard. 

Fair enough to believe that yourself. People believe all kind of crazy things. But, for me, spreading that garbage is disgusting, and downright un-professional from someone in their positon. And damaging to; he basically tells people to not even bother with Chinese, coz they&#039;ll never be any good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Maya</p>
<p>Throughout the whole article I kept going &#8220;No, wait &#8230; he&#8217;s gonna say he&#8217;s joking &#8230;. now&#8230;.ok,now&#8230;..omg I think he may actually be serious&#8230;&#8221; And then slaming my head onto my keyboard. </p>
<p>Fair enough to believe that yourself. People believe all kind of crazy things. But, for me, spreading that garbage is disgusting, and downright un-professional from someone in their positon. And damaging to; he basically tells people to not even bother with Chinese, coz they&#8217;ll never be any good.</p>
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		<title>By: khatzumoto</title>
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		<dc:creator>khatzumoto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Maya
Wow...I thought if I closed my eyes and clicked my heels together, stupidity like this would just go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Maya<br />
Wow&#8230;I thought if I closed my eyes and clicked my heels together, stupidity like this would just go away.</p>
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		<title>By: Maya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Khatz :)

I recently stumbled across this beauty, which I found to be hilarious: http://www.pinyin.info/readings/texts/moser.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Khatz <img src='http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I recently stumbled across this beauty, which I found to be hilarious: <a href="http://www.pinyin.info/readings/texts/moser.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pinyin.info/readings/texts/moser.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@scout:

You rock.</description>
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<p>You rock.</p>
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		<title>By: scout</title>
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		<dc:creator>scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jonathan:

I&#039;d say this is some pretty good evidence that it does exist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RGx7Ecqy8g</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jonathan:</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say this is some pretty good evidence that it does exist:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RGx7Ecqy8g" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RGx7Ecqy8g</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 07:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just found this very useful site. You put in any Japanese word or phrase, and it searches the web for sentences using that word phrase, extracts them and puts them into a list for you. Then it links the your keyword in each sentence to the website it pulled it from. 

http://jrek.ta2o.net/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found this very useful site. You put in any Japanese word or phrase, and it searches the web for sentences using that word phrase, extracts them and puts them into a list for you. Then it links the your keyword in each sentence to the website it pulled it from. </p>
<p><a href="http://jrek.ta2o.net/" rel="nofollow">http://jrek.ta2o.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Are part of their history, along with the secret of GUMMY BERRY JUICE!!!!&quot;

Screw you man, now I have to try and find that show in Japanese and it probably doesn&#039;t even exist.

Darned blogosphere, always resurrecting my childhood without warning... :&#124;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are part of their history, along with the secret of GUMMY BERRY JUICE!!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Screw you man, now I have to try and find that show in Japanese and it probably doesn&#8217;t even exist.</p>
<p>Darned blogosphere, always resurrecting my childhood without warning&#8230; <img src='http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif' alt=':|' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“a key part of what it means to be talented is being able to practise for hours and hours — to the point where it is really hard to know where “natural ability” stops and the simple willingness to work [long and consistently] begins. “

That&#039;s exactly what my guitar teacher told me...

Whenever people menton that I&#039;m &quot;really good&quot; at Japanese... I just point out that I&#039;ve been at it since high school and lived there for six years. Seriously. It&#039;s not that I&#039;m smart. It&#039;s just that I&#039;ve been doing it foreeeeeever.

Argh. Now I just gotta motivate myself to do more of other stuff I need to get good at!

I gotta get that book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“a key part of what it means to be talented is being able to practise for hours and hours — to the point where it is really hard to know where “natural ability” stops and the simple willingness to work [long and consistently] begins. “</p>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly what my guitar teacher told me&#8230;</p>
<p>Whenever people menton that I&#8217;m &#8220;really good&#8221; at Japanese&#8230; I just point out that I&#8217;ve been at it since high school and lived there for six years. Seriously. It&#8217;s not that I&#8217;m smart. It&#8217;s just that I&#8217;ve been doing it foreeeeeever.</p>
<p>Argh. Now I just gotta motivate myself to do more of other stuff I need to get good at!</p>
<p>I gotta get that book.</p>
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		<title>By: captal</title>
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		<dc:creator>captal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The road really is long, isn&#039;t it? But you either keep going, or you don&#039;t. You either quit, or you don&#039;t, and if you don&#039;t quit, you get better... But that isn&#039;t quite true, the level you are at takes a certain amount of maintenance.

When I used to weight-lift, I noticed that if I worked out only once a week, I could maintain my level of fitness- it took more than once a week to improve. I think most skills are like this- I&#039;ve played volleyball for over 10 years, and the amount of enjoyable hours I&#039;ve put in is incredible. However, after college (and due to winter) I didn&#039;t usually play consistently- I&#039;ve often stopped for months (years?) at a time. When I get back on a court it usually doesn&#039;t take me long to get back in the swing of things, but that doesn&#039;t mean I can count all those hours and say &quot;ok, I&#039;ve played volleyball for 5000 hours, I should be pretty good.&quot; Language is the same way- maybe it takes 30 minutes of Japanese a day to maintain my current level- if I don&#039;t do that 30 minutes, I get worse and have to spend time the next day making it up. And the longer you take off, the faster the rate of knowledge loss increases. I would also guess that as you get better it takes more time to maintain, but you also get worse more slowly (like the volleyball example, I may stop for a year, but I don&#039;t have to go back to square one). 

I think this is one of the reasons beginners are so frustrated, they work hard for a month, two months or longer but then they take a break and so much of that hard work leaks away. If they would have just consistently practiced, they would have been better off. And this is coming from a very inconsistent person, which likely explains why I&#039;m good at many things, but not great at anything. Curse you atrophy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The road really is long, isn&#8217;t it? But you either keep going, or you don&#8217;t. You either quit, or you don&#8217;t, and if you don&#8217;t quit, you get better&#8230; But that isn&#8217;t quite true, the level you are at takes a certain amount of maintenance.</p>
<p>When I used to weight-lift, I noticed that if I worked out only once a week, I could maintain my level of fitness- it took more than once a week to improve. I think most skills are like this- I&#8217;ve played volleyball for over 10 years, and the amount of enjoyable hours I&#8217;ve put in is incredible. However, after college (and due to winter) I didn&#8217;t usually play consistently- I&#8217;ve often stopped for months (years?) at a time. When I get back on a court it usually doesn&#8217;t take me long to get back in the swing of things, but that doesn&#8217;t mean I can count all those hours and say &#8220;ok, I&#8217;ve played volleyball for 5000 hours, I should be pretty good.&#8221; Language is the same way- maybe it takes 30 minutes of Japanese a day to maintain my current level- if I don&#8217;t do that 30 minutes, I get worse and have to spend time the next day making it up. And the longer you take off, the faster the rate of knowledge loss increases. I would also guess that as you get better it takes more time to maintain, but you also get worse more slowly (like the volleyball example, I may stop for a year, but I don&#8217;t have to go back to square one). </p>
<p>I think this is one of the reasons beginners are so frustrated, they work hard for a month, two months or longer but then they take a break and so much of that hard work leaks away. If they would have just consistently practiced, they would have been better off. And this is coming from a very inconsistent person, which likely explains why I&#8217;m good at many things, but not great at anything. Curse you atrophy!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it seems disliking The Beatles is a new kind of suck you just have to get over!</description>
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